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Commenting stations for interleaved data - Bug?
by Andrew Atkinson 09 Sep '15

09 Sep '15

Hi Just been entering (well making up) some interleaved diving data, and for a few of the stations I would like to put a comment for the reading so I tried data diving station count depth ignoreall newline compass ignoreall calibrate depth 0 -1 #makes depths positive; 3 is deeper than 2 0 0 0 180 Taken from splay into sump in Skeleton.th 1 8 3 Depth read by AA on previous dive 100 2 11 1 80 3 14 1 140 Taken from reverse of splay of 319 into sump in Skeleton2.th 4 25 0 Line belay It appears that I cannot have an ignoreall before the newline, as it complains that not all data for given style removing the ignoreall before the newline and adding as comment works, eg data diving station count depth newline compass ignoreall calibrate depth 0 -1 #makes depths positive 3 is deeper than 2 0 0 0 180 Taken from splay into sump in Skeleton.th 1 8 3 #Depth read by AA on previous dive 100 2 11 1 80 3 14 1 140 Taken from reverse of splay of 319 into sump in Skeleton2.th 4 25 0 #Line belay Testing the first data entry in Survex works, so it looks like it is a bug in Therion implementation of interleaved data, if my interpretation is correct thanks Andrew

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Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)
by Bruce Mutton 09 Sep '15

09 Sep '15

RobFor collaborative projects you would be much better to use a version control package such as bazaar, git or mercurial. Dropbox and similar cloud does not allow people to work on the same files simultaneously and maintain integrity of data or track changes.I am otherwise occupied so no time to explain further.Bruce Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: Rob Countess <rob.countess(a)gmail.com> Date: 09/09/2015 01:34 (GMT+05:45) To: List for Therion users <therion(a)speleo.sk> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson) I would love any and all tutorials. I am still a newbie. Any information I can glean about how to use Therion is helpful. I fully understand that it is a flexible and powerful program and that info in any tutorial is just one possible way to use Therion. I found installing it on my Mac OSX quite a complex process but it somehow magically produced a working program. I am converting data over from other programs, Walls and On Station and this has been quite straight forward. I have about 60% of my data converted over but have yet to draw anything on Therion but that is the goal. The caves I am working on were mostly surveyed and drawn with pen and paper in the 1980's. Now they have doubled in length roughly but no comprehensive maps have been produced just snippets of new passage. I would like to use the dropbox approach to manage projects with multiple surveyors and cartographers and hopefully convert some other caver's to Therion. Right now On Station is the main program people use and maps are mostly hand drawn or sometimes Illustrator. There is about 10 km of new passage to draw and 20 km total with redrawing old stuff. More than a one man job so using dropbox with 3 or 4 of us mapping sounds wonderful. I also have a DistoX2 coming and I am looking to convert to paperless surveying in the future. I think GoPro, Disto, tablet should make it possible. I am not completely useless with technology but I am not fluent in Geek. Rob On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Nick Bairstow <Nick(a)pff.uk.com> wrote: Dave has been my personal tutor for the last 2/3 weeks and has got me flying along with things. I can not thank him enough for the not inconsiderable time and effort he has put in with me. He sorted my file structure and checked and corrected lots of my data some of which is available to view using the dropbox link. Be warned files have been flying in and out of that dropbox so some of the stuffs a bit messy. I have been giving some thought to producing a tutorial to follow on from Footlegs wiki item. Unfortunately it's not a simple as I first thought. Over the next few months I will attempt to come up with something that will enable a novice therioneer understand the next steps following the Footleg wiki article. It would be nice to continue using Bull Pot as the sample cave but I have not got time to re-survey that so I propose we use an existing data set which could become the default novice reference. It seems many people give up with Therion as it is difficult to learn but with a good tutorial and a little help many more could be using it. What do people think, am I wasting my time, comments please. Oh and if someone else is already doing something similar please shout up. No point doing it twice. Nick. ________________________________________ From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Dave Clucas [dave.clucas(a)icloud.com] Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 7:55 AM To: therion(a)speleo.sk Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson) I helped Nick with his problen. To see how it's done have a look at the sample data we worked on https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lmpe35x3mhy7kp8/AADED3GW7KpiAFVKR1q-zxEsa?dl=0 Any queries contact me. Dave Clucas daveclucas.com<http://daveclucas.com> sarawak-caves.com<http://sarawak-caves.com> dave.clucas(a)icloud.com<mailto:daveclucas@icloud.com> Exploring the World - One cave at a time On 19 Aug 2015, at 12:44, therion-request(a)speleo.sk<mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk> wrote: Send Therion mailing list submissions to therion(a)speleo.sk<mailto:therion@speleo.sk> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to therion-request(a)speleo.sk You can reach the person managing the list at therion-owner(a)speleo.sk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Data Management (Adam Sampson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0400 From: Adam Sampson <caver.adam(a)outlook.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management To: Therion List <therion(a)speleo.sk> Message-ID: <BAY180-W56328E211DF3B6F9D873AF98670(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Please do let us know what you figure out. Martin helped me figure out how to have my surveys in a sub-folder of my main survey, but so far I'm only doing one cave. Would like to hear how to add the other area caves to the same output. Adam Sampson(502)509-5066caver.adam@outlook.comwww.kentuckykarstconservancy.com From: Nick(a)pff.uk.com To: therion(a)speleo.sk Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:31:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management Andrew, Martin, Rowena, Thanks for the replies. What I clearly don?t understand are the basic building blocks of Therion, folder structures etc Dave C has kindly offered to look at my stuff and advise so hopefully I will sort this out soon. I suspect I am at a point that a lot of folk get to in their Therion leaning curve so once I get my head round this I may write a wiki article about this from a novice point of view. It really should be a continuation of Footlegs excellent tutorial which I have referred to many times over the last few months. Andrew, files will be in the registry by the end of the day I promises. Thanks once again all Nick. From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka Sent: 19 August 2015 08:38 To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management Nick, thbook: ? -d ? Turn on debugging mode. The current implementation creates a temporary directory named thTMPDIR (in your system temporary directory) and does not delete any temporary files. may you run therion with -d parameter and check the files inside the folder thTMPDIR? May you send me both the log from therion and that folder thTMPDIR zipped? m. 19. 8. 2015 v 5:20, rowena_l(a)tpg.com.au: hello, I have successfully created an area PDF for the 70+ caves in my area of interest in Australia, using Therion. Can you give more details of what your result is giving? eg is an error being displayed, can you produce a .3d file or .lox file of the survey legs, are you able to see a pdf created that is missing data? ----- Original Message ----- From: "List for Therion users" <therion(a)speleo.sk> To: "List for Therion users" <therion(a)speleo.sk> Cc: Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:01:45 +0100 Subject: [Therion] Data Management Hi all, After lots of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but now I have hit a wall. I believe I?m not getting the data management correct. Here?s what I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in these files. So far so good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf?s to kml?s. Now I want to produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as I may I?m just not succeeding. I have read all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to look at other people?s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing something some where. I keep seeing snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on how to use them. I realise this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I can work it out but life?s too short to dick about for hours especially when someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of these maps and I?m now getting a bit worried I will not make it. Any help would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire area wants to compare notes (I?m sure that there are more numptys like me out there) I will travel and bring beer. Nick. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion(a)speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion(a)speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion

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Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)
by Dave Clucas 08 Sep '15

08 Sep '15

I helped Nick with his problen. To see how it's done have a look at the sample data we worked on https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lmpe35x3mhy7kp8/AADED3GW7KpiAFVKR1q-zxEsa?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lmpe35x3mhy7kp8/AADED3GW7KpiAFVKR1q-zxEsa?dl=0> Any queries contact me. Dave Clucas daveclucas.com <http://daveclucas.com/> sarawak-caves.com <http://sarawak-caves.com/> dave.clucas(a)icloud.com <mailto:daveclucas@icloud.com> Exploring the World - One cave at a time > On 19 Aug 2015, at 12:44, therion-request(a)speleo.sk wrote: > > Send Therion mailing list submissions to > therion(a)speleo.sk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > therion-request(a)speleo.sk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > therion-owner(a)speleo.sk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Data Management (Adam Sampson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0400 > From: Adam Sampson <caver.adam(a)outlook.com> > Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management > To: Therion List <therion(a)speleo.sk> > Message-ID: <BAY180-W56328E211DF3B6F9D873AF98670(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Please do let us know what you figure out. Martin helped me figure out how to have my surveys in a sub-folder of my main survey, but so far I'm only doing one cave. Would like to hear how to add the other area caves to the same output. > > Adam Sampson(502)509-5066caver.adam@outlook.comwww.kentuckykarstconservancy.com > > From: Nick(a)pff.uk.com > To: therion(a)speleo.sk > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:31:32 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew, Martin, Rowena, > > Thanks for the replies. What I clearly don?t > understand are the basic building blocks of Therion, folder structures etc > > Dave C has kindly offered to look at my > stuff and advise so hopefully I will sort this out soon. > > I suspect I am at a point that a lot of > folk get to in their Therion leaning curve so once I get my head round this I > may write a wiki article about this from a novice point of view. It really should > be a continuation of Footlegs excellent tutorial which I have referred to many > times over the last few months. > > Andrew, files will be in the registry by > the end of the day I promises. > > > > Thanks once again all > > > > Nick. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka > > Sent: 19 August 2015 08:38 > > To: List > for Therion users > > Subject: Re: [Therion] Data > Management > > > > > > Nick, > > > > > > > > > > thbook: > > > > > > > > ? -d ? > Turn on debugging mode. The current implementation creates a temporary > directory > > > > > > named thTMPDIR (in > your system temporary directory) and does not delete any > > > > > > temporary files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may you run therion with -d parameter and check the files inside > the folder thTMPDIR? > > > > > > > > > > > > May you send me both the log from therion and that folder thTMPDIR > zipped? > > > > > > > > > > > > m. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19. 8. 2015 v 5:20, rowena_l(a)tpg.com.au: > > > > > > > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > > > > > I have successfully created an area PDF for the > 70+ caves in my area of interest in Australia, using Therion. > > > > > > Can you give more details of what your result is giving? > eg is an error being displayed, can you produce a .3d file or .lox file of the > survey legs, are you able to see a pdf created that is missing data? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > "List > for Therion users" <therion(a)speleo.sk> > > > > > > > > To: > > > > "List for Therion users" > <therion(a)speleo.sk> > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > > Sent: > > > > Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:01:45 +0100 > > > > Subject: > > > > [Therion] Data Management > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > After lots > of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but > now I have hit a wall. I believe I?m not getting the data management correct. > > > > > > > > Here?s what > I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders > for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and > config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in > these files. > > > > > > > > So far so > good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf?s to kml?s. Now I want to > produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as > I may I?m just not succeeding. > > > > > > > > I have read > all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing > list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to > look at other people?s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and > I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing > something some where. > > > > > > > > I keep seeing > snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on > how to use them. > > > > > > > > I realise > this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I > can work it out but life?s too short to dick about for hours especially when > someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of > these maps and I?m now getting a bit worried I will not make it. > > > > > > > > Any help > would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire > area wants to compare notes (I?m sure that there are more numptys like me out > there) I will travel and bring beer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Therion mailing list > > Therion(a)speleo.sk > > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion(a)speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion >

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Therion tutorial
by Graham Mullan 08 Sep '15

08 Sep '15

Nick Bairstow wrote: "I have been giving some thought to producing a tutorial to follow on from Footlegs wiki item. Unfortunately it's not a simple as I first thought. Over the next few months I will attempt to come up with something that will enable a novice therioneer understand the next steps following the Footleg wiki article. It would be nice to continue using Bull Pot as the sample cave but I have not got time to re-survey that so I propose we use an existing data set which could become the default novice reference. It seems many people give up with Therion as it is difficult to learn but with a good tutorial and a little help many more could be using it. What do people think, am I wasting my time, comments please. Oh and if someone else is already doing something similar please shout up. No point doing it twice." I use Footleg's tutorial a lot. If you are not using a program every day, then having a handy known reference point for the details is always a good thing. It doesn't cover every single aspect, so if Nick wants to add further material, I for one would be delighted. Please do it, Nick. The other main trick for learning in this way is "How did we do this last time?" or looking back at a previous data set, your own or someone else's, and seeing how it works. If there was a reference data set available (if not on the Therion wiki but on the cave-registry page, perhaps) then the tutorial could certainly link to that. Of course 'live' data can change over time, so having a fixed example set might be better. Bear in mind that data for a single cave is insufficient to cover all problems. We routinely combine data from different caves, because they are close together or, as has been done several times, to produce a context overview to show a cave in relation to its neighbours and the land surface. See, for example, the thing below the caption in the latest version of the Gough's Cave survey http://www.ubss.org.uk/resources/surveys/survex/Goughs_all.pdf . Does anyone have a good multi-cave dataset that is now stable and so can be used for this purpose? It is also worth remembering, of course, that different people do some things differently, an example data set might enshrine work habits that are not the same as mine or yours. Graham

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Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 117, Issue 8
by Graham Mullan 06 Sep '15

06 Sep '15

In Therion Digest 117.8, Juan Corrin said: > It seems daft to me that enthusiastic surveyors are not using the software because of its complicated front end. > If someone finds data entry into Therion complicated, then they must have had serious problems making notes in a paper note book. I am not a computing expert, by any means; some of the Tex coding that Andrew puts into out thconfig files makes me go wibble. However, Martin is quite correct. A GUI front end will not help. Anyone who has used Larry Fish's Compass will understand that a GUI can make some things harder to understand - how do LRUDs fit in to the leg that they are recorded against, for example - and are very constraining. When Therion was first written, we didn't take large quantities of splay readings with a DistoX. Now this is done routinely. Getting Therion (and, indeed Survex with a similar data entry process) tweaked to deal with this was relatively straightforward, I believe. Rejigging a GUI would have been something of a nightmare. Further, applications like Andrew's Topparser make getting the recorded data into the computer, into Therion, pretty straightforward indeed. That deals with the .th file. Dealing with the .th2 files is somewhat more difficult, but recent improvements, like the context menu when you click on a line or a point, have improved the working of this enormously. It is difficult to see how one can change this interface much to make it simpler to understand. If you get your background file in properly - I routinely generate xvi files almost as often as I import them from PocketTopo - then you are dealing with points, lines and areas. Just three things. It's not that hard, surely, and Footleg's current tutorial is pretty bloody good at showing how things are done. Dealing with higher level .th files and with thconfig files is a lot harder, I agree. However, I do not see, again, how constraining what we have into a GUI will do anything other than remove the flexibility that we currently enjoy. One of the great joys, as far as I am concerned, of Therion is that it will, once you get all your ducks in a row, generate the finished product pdf at the press of a button. OK, maybe sometimes two or three buttons, if you are combining several views into one pdf. In our latest effort, five different views are combined along with properly placed x-sections and a title blurb which includes generated data on surveyors & cave length/depth. It is not perfect, as I haven't yet managed to colour match all the maps properly between the plan & the 3 elevations, but it's getting there. If you can get another programmer to match all that in an idiot-friendly GUI program then I'll be impressed. But I won't hold me breath! Rant over Graham

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Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)
by Bruce Mutton 06 Sep '15

06 Sep '15

Thanks NickA very worthwhile project. In many ways new users are best placed to do such work (with a little wisdom from mentors thrown in).Have been putting my bits on the wiki for years, but admit it falls well short. Of course there are likely many good ways to use it, but lots of traps, which may be why this one has not been cracked yet.Will look forward to what you come up with.Bruce -------- Original message -------- From: Nick Bairstow <Nick(a)pff.uk.com> Date: 05/09/2015 22:53 (GMT+12:00) To: List for Therion users <therion(a)speleo.sk> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson) Dave has been my personal tutor for the last 2/3 weeks and has got me flying along with things. I can not thank him enough for the not inconsiderable time and effort he has put in with me. He sorted my file structure and checked and corrected lots of my data some of which is available to view using the dropbox link. Be warned files have been flying in and out of that dropbox so some of the stuffs a bit messy. I have been giving some thought to producing a tutorial to follow on from Footlegs wiki item. Unfortunately it's not a simple as I first thought. Over the next few months I will attempt to come up with something that will enable a novice therioneer understand the next steps following the Footleg wiki article. It would be nice to continue using Bull Pot as the sample cave but I have not got time to re-survey that so I propose we use an existing data set which could become the default novice reference. It seems many people give up with Therion as it is difficult to learn but with a good tutorial and a little help many more could be using it. What do people think, am I wasting my time, comments please. Oh and if someone else is already doing something similar please shout up. No point doing it twice. Nick. ________________________________________ From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Dave Clucas [dave.clucas(a)icloud.com] Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 7:55 AM To: therion(a)speleo.sk Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson) I helped Nick with his problen. To see how it's done have a look at the sample data we worked on https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lmpe35x3mhy7kp8/AADED3GW7KpiAFVKR1q-zxEsa?dl=0 Any queries contact me. Dave Clucas daveclucas.com<http://daveclucas.com> sarawak-caves.com<http://sarawak-caves.com> dave.clucas(a)icloud.com<mailto:daveclucas@icloud.com> Exploring the World - One cave at a time On 19 Aug 2015, at 12:44, therion-request(a)speleo.sk<mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk> wrote: Send Therion mailing list submissions to therion(a)speleo.sk<mailto:therion@speleo.sk> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to therion-request(a)speleo.sk You can reach the person managing the list at therion-owner(a)speleo.sk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Data Management (Adam Sampson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0400 From: Adam Sampson <caver.adam(a)outlook.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management To: Therion List <therion(a)speleo.sk> Message-ID: <BAY180-W56328E211DF3B6F9D873AF98670(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Please do let us know what you figure out. Martin helped me figure out how to have my surveys in a sub-folder of my main survey, but so far I'm only doing one cave. Would like to hear how to add the other area caves to the same output. Adam Sampson(502)509-5066caver.adam@outlook.comwww.kentuckykarstconservancy.com From: Nick(a)pff.uk.com To: therion(a)speleo.sk Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:31:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management Andrew, Martin, Rowena, Thanks for the replies. What I clearly don?t understand are the basic building blocks of Therion, folder structures etc Dave C has kindly offered to look at my stuff and advise so hopefully I will sort this out soon. I suspect I am at a point that a lot of folk get to in their Therion leaning curve so once I get my head round this I may write a wiki article about this from a novice point of view. It really should be a continuation of Footlegs excellent tutorial which I have referred to many times over the last few months. Andrew, files will be in the registry by the end of the day I promises. Thanks once again all Nick. From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka Sent: 19 August 2015 08:38 To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management Nick, thbook: ? -d ? Turn on debugging mode. The current implementation creates a temporary directory named thTMPDIR (in your system temporary directory) and does not delete any temporary files. may you run therion with -d parameter and check the files inside the folder thTMPDIR? May you send me both the log from therion and that folder thTMPDIR zipped? m. 19. 8. 2015 v 5:20, rowena_l(a)tpg.com.au: hello, I have successfully created an area PDF for the 70+ caves in my area of interest in Australia, using Therion. Can you give more details of what your result is giving? eg is an error being displayed, can you produce a .3d file or .lox file of the survey legs, are you able to see a pdf created that is missing data? ----- Original Message ----- From: "List for Therion users" <therion(a)speleo.sk> To: "List for Therion users" <therion(a)speleo.sk> Cc: Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:01:45 +0100 Subject: [Therion] Data Management Hi all, After lots of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but now I have hit a wall. I believe I?m not getting the data management correct. Here?s what I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in these files. So far so good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf?s to kml?s. Now I want to produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as I may I?m just not succeeding. I have read all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to look at other people?s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing something some where. I keep seeing snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on how to use them. I realise this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I can work it out but life?s too short to dick about for hours especially when someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of these maps and I?m now getting a bit worried I will not make it. Any help would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire area wants to compare notes (I?m sure that there are more numptys like me out there) I will travel and bring beer. Nick. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion(a)speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion(a)speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion

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Just as info - Wikipedia article traffic statistics
by Martin Sluka 03 Sep '15

03 Sep '15

http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Therion%20(software) m.s.

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export continuation-list: Just one station decimal?
by torstein finnesand 01 Sep '15

01 Sep '15

Hi folks, When drawing the scraps, I use the point symbol for continuation. We use "export continuation-list -filter off" the get the list, normally in html. Some observations: - The html list below has stations with only one decimal. Bug? - The txt list below has the same stations, but with several decimals, - which is correct. The same happens for the dbf-format. - One example is the station 5.78. It becomes 5.8 in the html-format. - The problem occurs to all our projects where we use the full stop as the decimal mark (PocketTopo surveying). One problem with the txt-file (and the dbf-file): I can't know whether the station named for instance 20.60000 is station 20.6 or station 20.60. Torstein

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The goal with joining scraps
by torstein finnesand 25 Aug '15

25 Aug '15

Hi folks, some questions about the join command. We join scraps to make nice pdf-maps or other two-dimensional maps like svg, xhtml and kml. Of course, this is a very good reason. 1. But are there other reasons to do it? For instance, do joins have any influence on other exports, like the maps (walls) in aven or the models in loch? I did a simple preliminary test, and couldn't find any difference whether the scraps were joined or not. 2. Do you always joins the scraps? Are there some situations when its not necessary, or even wrong, to join scraps? Torstein Finnesand Norway

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Colour control
by Graham Mullan 20 Aug '15

20 Aug '15

Is it possible to ask for more & better control over the use of colour? One of the ways in which this is useful is in allowing viewers to quickly match the same parts of a cave between plan and elevation. This can be done in a straightforward manner if you have one plan and one elevation as the maps (in colour by map) can be placed in matched order and so get allocated the same colours in sequence. Where one has more than one elevation, however, in the example I am working on we have three different elevations all on different projections. Different maps are used for each and, obviously, they do not get the same full set that the plan gets. Colour matching thus becomes impossible except by using cheats of such complexity that my brain fell over. The final match can be done in an image editor, I imported my final pdf into Gimp, did the match & exported it as a pdf again (Gimp can be recommended for this) but it would be nice to be able to control the whole process in Therion. Graham -- <mailto:graham.mullan@coly.org.uk> graham.mullan(a)coly.org.uk In the UK 0117 9502556 or 07887 637064 France from the UK 0844 2327803 In France 05 53 51 19 15 or 06 02 53 37 81

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