August 2019 - Therion

Re: [Therion] Point altitude/deph, Help !
by Xavier Robert 28 Jun '22

28 Jun '22

Hi all, I think I have found a trick. The other Xavier led me to the right tracks, thanks a lot ! Finally, this is quite simple with the point altitude, and no need to change anything inside the : - If we use the point altitude only with the option -align, we get the altitude - If we use the point altitude with the options -align and -value [-1004 m] where 1004 is the altitude of the main entrance, we print the depth only for that point (Do not forget the " - " before the altitude of the main entrance), and thus, we do not erase the classic point altitude. The only (small) limits are : * If the main entrance changes, we need to manually update ALL the points that print the depth. But that should not be be everyday, and not a big issue to do that. * the symbology of the two points is the same. I will have a look for a way to modify that and let you know if I find a trick (If I copy the code of the point Altitude, and call it p_u_depth(expr pos, R, S, A), it crashes...). Cheers, Xav

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How to calculate the volume of a cave
by Bill Gee 31 Jan '22

31 Jan '22

Hello everyone - What tools can be used to calculate the volume of a cave based on center line and LRUD data? I found an email from Martin Sluka from about 4 years ago describing how to use Loch to export a .lox file in other formats, then run that file through CloudCompare or ParaView. The process looks very complex to me, and besides - Loch does not run on my computers, so there is no way for me to generate an export. As far as I can tell, Survex does not have a way to calculate volume. Could it be done with a KML file and Google Earth? -- Bill Gee

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"\legendbox" "\loadpicture" and absolute paths
by rowena 14 Mar '21

14 Mar '21

Hello, I am using the "\loadpicture" capability in "\legendbox" constructs to include map sections, elevations, etc. It all works nicely on my PC where I am using relative paths to the pdf files. My club has a desire to archive the map data for posterity - ie if my pc dies or I go walkabout, the map data should still be available so that others can add to the maps as they are extended. I would prefer to have the images included using relative pathnames, rather than absolute pathnames, so that future explorers can download the map data and extend it, without having to duplicate my file hierarchy. How can I include relative paths in the \loadpicture functionality? Thanks, Rowena

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extend
by Marco Corvi 02 Jun '20

02 Jun '20

i think that extend should take values in the interval [-1,1], ie also fractional values, plus some special value such as "ignore" to open loops, and "undefined" to let the program choose, because it's a nuisance to enter a decimal number for every shot (legs + splays). therion uses the left/right normal/reverse etc. solution, and users should be allowed to set extend also for splays, if they need to. for now, let's use left/right/vert, and ignore only to open loops btw, are vertical extend considered in the computation of the cave length by therion ? marco

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World Magnetic Model
by kevin dixon 28 Feb '20

28 Feb '20

The last Therion release 5.4.3 is dated 01 Feb 2019. There has in recent years been a significant change of the Magnetic North Pole location, less so for the Geomagnetic South Pole: https://ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/GeomagneticPoles.shtml Given the above, an out of cycle World Geomagnetic Model WMM2015v2 was released 04 Feb 2019. When will this update appear in Survex and Therion ? Thanks, Kevin Dixon

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maps on off feature characteristics
by Bruce Mutton 08 Oct '19

08 Oct '19

I've just been playing with the new maps on/off feature a little more. These are just some observations. There seems to be a bug regarding map altitudes in all cases, and scrap altitudes where the scraps are empty. On the other hand it is a good way to highlight the existence of empty scraps! The notes below may not be particularly coherent, but together with the attached log files, you should be able to figure out what is going on. Setting maps to off quadruples compile time and increases pdf size by 15 times (not sure why that should be). Maps off On running a project with 614 scraps reported; This log entry was caused by an empty scrap definition, regardless of whether the empty scrap appears in a map definition S -899999999999999990000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000.00 04-BangAndBeyondPlan-s2@BlackSabbath () ie scrap 04-BangAndBeyondPlan-s2 -projection plan -scale [0 0 787.4 787.4 0 0 10 10 m] endscrap It seems I have 16 empty scraps in that project, a legacy of using topparser, and not always using all of the scrap definitions that it creates. Maps on On running same project with 254 scraps/maps reported; 1. Empty Scrap causes map that contains it not to appear in log, sometimes 04-BangAndBeyondPlan-s2@BlackSabbath is empty and for some reason the following map is not reported in the log file at all. map 04-BangAndBeyondPlan -title "04 beyond the capped rock - black sabbath plan" -projection plan 04-BangAndBeyondPlan-s1 04-BangAndBeyondPlan-s2 endmap 2. All maps are reported with elevation of; M -899999999999999990000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000.00 3. Unexplained empty 'scrap' reported at high altitude. Looking at my data, I cannot explain why this might happen. In the 254 lines, there are only two of these. M -899999999999999990000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000.00 61-AngelicaPlan@MiddleEarth (61 Angelica plan) S 473.40 61-AngelicaPlan-s1@MiddleEarth () S 489.54 61-AngelicaPlan-s2@MiddleEarth () S 1219.69 @ () map 61-AngelicaPlan -title "61 Angelica plan" -projection plan 61-AngelicaPlan-s1 #9C start surveying up pitch 61-AngelicaPlan-s2 # to base of 20C endmap 4. Similar things happen with projected elevation outputs, but there are many more of empty report lines, as in 3. above, and the altitudes reported seem somewhat random and just wrong. I wonder if the altitudes are really some measure of distance into or out of the 'page'? Behaviours seem to be the same whether maps or atlas are exported. Very nice for disabling passage offsets and previews. Bruce

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Detecting errors
by MD 07 Sep '19

07 Sep '19

Our current project is nearing 2000 Stations in a labyrinth and things start to get cumbersome. We have more than 100 Loops detected by therion. I wonder what people use to find errors. For example im I have too loops L1 and L2 and L1 is “good” (0.1% error) while L2 is “bad” (4% error) i can assume that the error is in the stations/shots which are part of L2 but not L1. Is there an automated approach for that? When I add a new loop and the overall error goes up it is likely, that this loop is faulty. Any way to automatically check that? I also read the “Error Detection in Compass” page and couldn’t understand much mire than “we just try out”. We have Disto X (no transcription errors possible) and traditional (transcription errors likely) surveys. How to handle that? Any suggestions besides loads of manual work?

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Problems with Compass PLT files
by Bill Gee 25 Aug '19

25 Aug '19

Hello everyone - I have been working with the developer of a cave viewing program called "Cave Breakout". The web site is https://breakoutcavesurvey.com/ This is a Java application which, among other things, can import Compass PLT files for viewing and searching. It works well on Linux as long as the display driver supports OpenGL3. I am not a Compass user, so I generate PLT files from Therion using an "export" command, something like this: export model -fmt compass -enable all -wall-source all -o MosbyCave.plt After a few go-arounds, Cave Breakout will now successfully read and display simple PLT files from Therion. However, it appears there are some deeper issues relating to how Therion generates a PLT file. 1) The PLT file that Therion generates, even a simple one like Mosby Cave (only 13 stations and 163 feet) will not open in Compass Viewer. The error message is "Invalid numeric input". 2) Complex PLT files from Therion will open in Cave Breakout, but the display is all messed up. The specific file that shows this contains four caves and has some duplicate station names among the caves. The PLT file from any one of the caves will display correctly, but the combined file is a big mess. One of the issues that Cave Breakout has to deal with is very large numbers. The developer told me that the Therion file had easting numbers in the millions. I don't know if that is normal or not - but apparently Compass does not do that. He did not mention the northing numbers, but I suspect they are also very large. Has anyone here done much work with Compass PLT files? Am I missing something in the export command? -- Bill Gee

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