February 2004 - Therion

feedback on 0.2.18
by Wookey 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

Here's another batch of Therion feedback from my continuing efforts. I debianized and compiled 0.2.200400224 (is there any reason for not just calling this 0.2.19? - this is the 3rd decimal version number so it might as well go up with each new version you put out) My mulu dataset which worked OK with 0.2.18 gives: therion: warning -- thconfig [7] -- no selected projection data -- plan The jsv test dataset works OK. Downgrading to 0.2.18 also still works, so something is amiss. Copy of thconfig, soundriver.th and soundriver.th2 attached. version 0.2.18 thbook says -clip <bool> but it's -clip <on/off> like most other options - confusing - I tried 0, false before getting it right. Make the docs consistent. search for 'area' finds them in the File Commands box but there is no clue where it is on screen. Highlighting the associated paths would be really good. Finding lines instead of points is tricky - you can click on point, but not line. Especially with big rocks that have a lot of lines, it's hard to know that you have the right line. Highlighting the point at the other end of the line too or something would be good if not the line itself. In the File Commands box there is an underlined entry you can move with the cursor keys and a highlighted entry (the thing currently highlighted on screen) which you can only move with the mouse. WHy do both these things exist? It'd be more useful to be able to move the highlighed entry with the cursor keys, so that you can step through items and _see_ what they refer to. What is the intended use of Rock-edge and rock border? Can you explain what base-scale actually does and how scale interacts - I don't feel I understand properly from reading the thbook. You may have answered this from looking at the article... I still can't get join [id:pt]@survey style to work: I get 'invalid object' join [fsceil1:0]@river [farsidewest3:8]@river. commented out in attached .th file. In the legend 'Topo' is not english - need to be able to change that text. We have 'surveyed', 'explored' and 'drawn' normally. Also 'pit' is 'pitch' in UK english - only American's call them pits. Indeed UK and US caving english are quite different, if Therion takes account of translations - that's why survex has en-gb and en-us translations. How do I deal with this situation: a wall round a corner and a pitch edge goes across the corner; I want to area fill up to the pitch edge? In the attached files this is sbr3(pitch edge), farsidewest2(wall) etc. The problem is that when describing the paths comprising the area you want to go wall, pitch, wall, but the wall has only one ID, so I put area sand sbr1 farsidewest3 sbr2 farsidewest2 sbr3 farsidewest2 endarea in the area coomand, but the sbr3 is ignored and the fill goes right up to the wall. do I have to split the wall into two paths or can the area command be made smart enough to do what is intended here? Is there an easy way of splitting lines without re-drawing? Needed for various situations, the above being just one example. At the moment I am deleting and re-drawing things when I want to split them, which is a pain. encoding utf-8 select evening.soundriver source soundriver.th export model -fmt survex export map -proj plan -layout-base-scale 1 500 -o soundriverpln.pdf # or to use full layout below # export map -proj plan -layout elevator -o soundriverpln.pdf # export atlas -proj plan -o soundriveratlas.pdf layout elevator base-scale 1 500 doc-author "Wookey" endlayout encoding utf-8 survey soundriver map elevator -title "Terikan: Elevator Entrance" farside@river farside2@river endmap #connections # join farside@river farside2@river join farsidewest1@river farsidewest2@river # join [fsceil1:0]@river [farsidewest3:8]@river centerline equate 17@evening 53@river equate 24@evening 1@river #*equate 4@river2 6@evening ; was it stn 6 cairn? closure suggests not equate 1@rifticious 2@evening equate 5@rifticious 12@evening equate 1@pooh 50@river equate 22@rifticious 1@rifticious2 equate 10@penthouse 27@river endcenterline survey evening -title "Top of the Evening" centerline #export 25 2 12 17 24 date 2003.02.02 team "Wookey" notes team "Andy Eavis" clino compass tape #CUCC set #2, Fisco ranger tape? #surveying in, looking in 2 1 18.15 191 -03 3 2 30.00 140 -01 4 3 17.25 179 -01 5 4 21.25 215 +01 6 5 28.1 271 +01 7 6 30.0 305 +10 8 7 30 286 -03 9 8 30.00 290 -12 10 9 16.2 298 -07 9 11 1.4 - down 12 10 30 321 +01 13 12 23.95 214 -17 14 13 17.8 194 -25 15 14 28.0 216 -10 16 15 22.0 195 +11 16 17 15.4 140 +36 18 17 23.0 203 +25 19 18 21.9 230 +27 20 19 30 241 +04 21 20 27.35 251 -08 22 21 13.0 213 +12 23 22 13.5 242 +02 24 23 30 204 -02 1 25 9.0 230 +08 #2 4 6 ~20 2 ; cairn (Andy's Head) #1 2(12) 5 10(17) 0.6 ; Nester's cairn (actual) #3 1 4 10 1.7 ; AH/WH #4 1 6 10+ 1.7 ; Head - rock on floor #5 7 4/20+ - 1.7 ; AH - arrow on floor #6 1(~9) 12 36 1.7 ;Kneeling over cairn (up with disto) #7 ~20 3 ~25 1.7 ; AH, cairn #8 15 10 25 2 ; AH #25 3(15) 7 8(18) 2 ; WH over cairn - last station on previous survey (escalator.pt3)(looking in) #9 9 12 8 2 ; WH above cairn, note #10 1 10 ~10 3 ; AH on rock #11 as 9 0.3 ; cairn, note #12 14 14 - - ; AH, cairn, note #13 ~20 ~20 ~8 - ; #14 10 9 7 1.5 #15 ~20 ~20 ~20 2 ;AH #16 - - - - #17 lots 10 ~30 3.5 ; big cairn, top of passage '17' in pencil #18 10 15 ~30 2 ; AH #19 9 ~23 8 2 ;AH #20 12 8 13 2 ;AH, cairn, note #21 ~16 2 5 4 ; AH on stal bridge #22 12 3 6 1.7 ; AH #23 15? 4 3 2 ;AH #24 4 15 8 2.5 ;AH endcenterline endsurvey evening survey river input soundriver.th2 centerline #export 1 27 40 43 50 53 title "River of Sound" date 2003.02.03 team Wookey notes team "Robbie Shone" clino compass team "James Alker" tape #CUCC insts set #2 1 2 30.00 047 00 2 3 28.25 318 -13 2 4 21.60 020 -13 2 5 19.0 112 +04 5 6 25.6 038 -03 4 7 1.1 335 00 7 8 5.4 - down 8 9 30.0 082 -01 9 10 15.2 093 +02 10 11 28.7 085 -01 11 12 30.0 021 +01 12 13 22.8 050 +06 13 14 15.9 064 -12 14 15 18.7 139 +04 15 16 30.0 135 +08 16 17 30.0 037 +02 17 18 15.6 103 +16 18 19 24.0 170 -22 # clino surveyed on later trip! 19 20 30.0 071 +01 20 21 28.6 038 +09 21 22 17.1 351 +17 22 23 7.2 - down 23 24 28.0 314 -05 24 25 30.0 019 +03 25 26 30.0 037 -01 26 27 30.0 062 00 27 28 30.0 039 +01 28 29 30.0 029 -01 29 30 30.0 042 +04 30 31 30.0 023 -03 31 32 14.3 028 +08 32 33 9.1 320 -18 33 34 30.0 268 -18 34 35 16.5 258 00 35 36 15.0 242 -12 36 37 11.0 267 -02 37 38 11.3 320 +22 38 39 6.4 336 +04 33 41 25.5 033 -02 41 42 28.3 081.5 -15 32 43a 20.2 055 +01 31 44 28.0 092 +10 39 40 23.1 345 +03 42 43 11.3 110 +02 3 45 30.0 303 -06 45 46 30.0 231 -02 46 47 30.0 214 00 47 48 30.0 219 00 48 49 18.0 228 -01 49 50 30.0 255 -03 50 51 30.0 172 +17 # was -17 in notes - can't be right 51 52 27.3 165 +29 52 53 19.2 158 +28 #1 - - - - Stn 24 of last survey. Head on cairn #2 5 ~8 ~6 1.8 ; head #3 8 ~20 6 2 ; stal (S corner) #4 10 ? 3 2 ; head by stal column #5 ? 15 3 1.7 ; head #6 - - ~8 0.8 ; tip of stal at prow #7 - - - - ; Over drop #8 8 1 ~8 1.7 ; top of drop #9 3.5 7(~40) ~20 2 ; head #10 5 6 15+ 2 ; edge of 4m drop, head #11 10 (2)8 20 2 ; head #12 ~10 2 - - ; head #13 10 5(12) 20+ 1.5 ; head #14 6(12) 6(12) ~15 2 ; head #15 - - - - ; head #16 40 9 20 8 ; head #20 8(25+) 0 6(15+) 1.8 ; head #21 - 8 - - #19 - 0 - 1.8 #24 2 5 5(7) 1.8 #23 1 6 ~12 1.5 #25 6 3 30+ 1.7 #26 3 7(30+) 9(+) 1.7 #27 2 10 9 2 #28 1(7) 5 7 4 #29 9 1(6) 15 4 #30 ~15 2 ~30 2(10?) ; head #31 4 10 6 2 ; head #32 - 4 - 2 ; head #33 - - 0.4 ~10 ; tip of boulder '33' #34 5 8 - 1 ; sitting head #35 5 2 3 1(5) ; sitting head #36 6 1 1 1 ; sitting head #37 2 8 1(5) 0.5 ; sitting head '37' written in mud #38 5 1 7 3 ; head #39 5 3 6 1 ; sitting head, note #40 7 1 2 1 ; sitting head, note #43 ? 6 2.5 2 ; sitting head, note #41 10 ? - - ; sitting head #42 2 3 1 1.5 ; 0.4 above cairn #43 6 5.5 2 1 ; point of rock #44 8 8 2 1 ; cairn on boulders (actual) #45 20 0 10 4 ; head #46 5 5 9 1.8 ; head #47 4 4 10 1.8 ; head #48 5 8 10 1.8 ; head #49 1(8) 4(10) 10 1.8 ; head #50 6 5 8 2 ; head #51 8 8 lots 2 ; head #52 15 15 - - ; head #53 ; cairn '17' on top endcenterline endsurvey river survey rifticious centerline #export 1 5 22 date 2003.02.03 team "Wookey" notes team "Robbie Shone" clino compass team "Colin Boothroyd" tape #CUCC set #2, Fisco ranger tape? #surveying in, looking in # RH side of passage 1 2 18.7 021 +01 2 3 24.0 022 +01 3 4 16.8 350 00 #1 3 4 ~12 2.5 ; =stn 2, wook & Andy stn 3, 2003-02-02 #2 3.5 6 +10 2 #3 6 2(+4) ~25 3 #4 ; stn 6 of above survey # SW trending lead from lower corner of Top of the Evening 5 6 30.0 217 -11 6 7 30 190.5 00 7 8 10.5 194.5 +12 8 9 15.9 217 -24 9 10 8.0 182 +07 10 11 7.7 170 +18 11 12 5.5 126 +12 12 13 14.8 224 -06 13 14 18.0 191 -01 14 15 13.7 195 00 15 16 2.000 119 -19 16 17 10.6 210.5 +08 17 18 22.20 205.5 00 18 19 13.70 201 00 19 20 15.00 221 -28 20 21 9.10 268 -46 21 22 6.50 293 -53 19 23 13.2 100 +55 23 24 7.20 184 +31 24 25 7.70 062 +55 25 26 8 060 +26 # grade3 #LRUD to come endcenterline endsurvey rifticious survey pooh centerline #export 1 date 2003.02.03 team "Wookey" tape #and dog team "Robbie Shone" clino compass team "Colin Boothroyd" notes pictures # same day as rifticious survey #CUCC set #2, Fisco ranger tape? data normal station left right up down newline tape compass clino 1 - - - - # stn 50 of 2003-02-03 survey 17.4 241 -05 2 2.5 6 0+8 1 19.08 253.5 -18 # could be 233.5? 3 5 3 4 1.2 7.18 238 -15 4 0 5 3.5 1.5 17.94 000 +20 5 4 3 8 2 8.72 251 -28 6 0.5 2 3 1 21.26 353 +09 7 1 2.5 4 1.6 11.50 033 +07 8 2 4 8 1 10.13 080 +01 9 3.5 2 1 2.5 14.49 021.5 -06 10 3.5 1.5 1.8 1.5 # cairn endcenterline endsurvey pooh survey rifticious2 centerline #export 1 3 #pitch connection between rifticious and menagerie - done on following day date 2003.02.06 team "James Alker" dog team "Robbie shone" notes insts tape 1 2 10.6 292 -44 # 0.6 length in notes - lost '1'? 2 3 15.4 - down # measured rope length endcenterline endsurvey rifticious2 survey penthouse centerline #export 10 date 2003.02.06 team "James Alker" notes tape team "Robbie shone" clino compass #Entrance on shelf before narrowing on way to farside data normal station left right up down newline tape compass clino #CUCC insts 2 2 8 8 6 2 30 046 +9 1 6 4 4 2 0 0 0 # faked data to make therion happy 2 - - - - 30 223 -2 3 8 7 6 2 30 220 0 4 4 20 5 2 28.6 239 -1 5 5 0 3 0.5 9.8 278 -12 6 4 2 5 0.5 20.2 204 +1 7 2 40 5 2 23.0 300 -7 8 20 20 10 2 18.6 0 -25 9 2 40 15 1 # on a stal 5.3 54 -12 10 2 10 15 2 # entrance # entrance 1 # entrance 10 endcenterline endsurvey penthouse endsurvey encoding utf-8 ##XTHERION## xth_me_area_adjust -128 -1247 1800 1328 ##XTHERION## xth_me_area_zoom_to 200 ##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {0 1 1.0} 1200 soundriver1pln.pnm 0 {} scrap farside2 -projection plan -scale [-128 -1247 1800 -1247 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1086.0 smooth off endline endscrap

4 13

Queries and comments on 0.2.17
by Wookey 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

I've been writing an article about Therion for Compass points, which includes a complete tutorial on using therion to draw a simple survey. This process has generated a few queries, one of which needs answering for me to finish the article - others are mostly suggestions for improvements and a few bugs. I'm using 0.2.17 urgent queries: How do I control overlap at joins? I have drawn a couple of scraps and at the place where they join there are contour lines on one scrap and ceilinglines on another that sort of intermingle. When drawn up therion put one scrap on top of the other and invents a 'join line' that covers quite a lot of the neighboring scrap. I need transparency, or a complex 'join line'. What is the best way to deal with this? Do scraps have to have perfect joins? Can I draw a join line? Also I tried to control the join in more detail by specifying that the ends of lines join but the syntax didn't work. What's wrong with this: join farsidewest:0@farside2.river farsidewest2:end@farside.river (farsidewest are farsidewest2 are 'wall' lines). bugs: In .th files - if you use data normal ignore ignore ignore ignore newline tape compass clino then every LRUD line must be followed by a data line, including the last one If you s/ignore ignore ignore ignore/left right up down/ then it ignores absence of TCC part in the last line, but not in lines in the middle of a run. This is inconsistnet with survex behaviour (which will let you give LRUD info for a station and then stop - without subsequent TCC info) In the test editor, using above: data normal left right up down newline tape compass clino and then 'scan format' to get data table to have correct boxes is OK but when you enter data it appears as tape compass clino station left right up down which is the wrong order. When a created file is re-read every blank line gets a 'text' entry in the file commands section, and when saved ends up as 3 blank lines - whitespace text entries shouldn't appear. If I try to zoom in to 200% therion just crashes (64MB machine, 3.8Mb pnm file) Is this expected? It certainly makes it hard to draw boulders properly as I can;'t do stations very close together. The keys list suggets that I can hold down shift to create a station close to another station, but I have not suceeded - how exactly does it work? wishlist items: It would be _really_ good to have png support in Xtherion? GIFs are a pain for free software and pnm and ppm are huge. What needs to be done? Shortcuts for moving things between scraps would be helpful, otherwise it's 'move down' about 100 times. Is there a better way? Entering stations - ther is a space for 'id' but not name, which you need to enter for every station. Indeed why is the id not the name? It's very tedious if you need to change a number of entries - need shortcuts to move between boxes in RH-side or to scroll up and down items in the file summary. e.g if you need to change all the station ids to names. Need to be able to navigate file commands with keys. graphical stuff Air drafts need to be able to specify number of ticks - this is used to indicate wind strength The QMs ('continuation point) come out really small on my survey. Where do I control the size? The debris area symbol looks terrible. I want a quick way to fill in areas of rocks - needs randomised rocks of some sort with controls over size and density. Tunnel (java) has good code for this, with an arrow that control desity gradient. Borrow code? Areas need some way of working out if they are 'connected' or not. The current scheme is hopeless - very cryptic messages which give no clue which area is at fault. Editing them is a real pain as you find the text in the file (takes a while, especially with all the blank ones) but then as soon as you click on a line to adjust it you lose the text again. An entry method that lets you 'group' some lines into an area might be best - especially if it auto-allocated the names. There is a real problem with editing a file and using xtherion at the same time - even F1 and F2 type editing. Therion just saves the map version over any other version you might have created. It needs to check for 'newer on disk' or something. Until the map interface is better there is a real need to edit the file by hand too. This is a tricky problem but it definately needs work before many people will use it. Ticks are too close together on pitches. How do I change the default for contour lines to al have 'none' (no downside tick mark)? I don't want to add -tick none on every contour - I want to set a default. How does the slope line symbol work? It just seemst od raw a lot of overlapping lines for me. How does it differ from the contour line? Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel +44 (0) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://www.chaos.org.uk/~wookey/

4 10

Example of spurious text appearing
by Wookey 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

OK, I've reproduced the 'text between every item' bug. Take the attached soundriver.orig file and load it into Xtherion (I used the 20040224 release). In File Commands there is a 'text' item between each real item. Most of them are just a blank line. If you save there is no change in the file, but if you add a line (and then delete it), then save, then each <lf><lf> turns into <lf><lf><lf><lf><lf>, resulting in soundriver.th2, attached. Hoipe this helps track it down. This is on Debian GNU/Linux 'testing' release. 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266.0 endline area sand sbr1 farsidewest3 sbr2 farsidewest2 sbr3 farsidewest2 endarea line wall -id farsidewest2 359.0 142.0 359.0 142.0 375.0 176.0 383.0 183.0 391.0 190.0 390.0 180.0 398.0 188.0 406.0 196.0 445.84 222.97 447.0 216.0 448.0 210.0 473.0 203.0 473.0 189.0 473.0 175.0 461.0 154.0 461.0 154.0 smooth off 461.0 154.0 484.0 161.0 495.0 176.0 506.0 191.0 509.0 221.0 509.0 234.0 509.0 247.0 505.0 280.0 510.0 303.0 515.0 326.0 543.0 306.0 536.0 312.0 529.0 318.0 562.0 346.0 568.0 358.0 574.0 370.0 584.0 396.0 577.0 399.0 570.0 402.0 537.0 371.0 531.0 378.0 525.0 385.0 533.0 389.0 533.0 389.0 smooth off 533.0 389.0 573.0 460.0 583.0 461.0 593.0 462.0 601.0 449.0 601.0 449.0 smooth off 601.0 449.0 614.0 461.0 616.0 480.0 618.0 499.0 626.0 541.0 626.0 554.0 626.0 567.0 629.0 590.0 629.0 590.0 smooth off endline line wall 254.0 258.0 277.11 221.68 345.0 160.0 359.0 142.0 smooth off endline line wall 112.0 282.0 145.0 243.0 145.0 243.0 149.0 263.0 171.0 266.0 202.11 270.24 245.0 236.0 245.0 236.0 smooth off 245.0 236.0 239.0 247.0 237.0 254.0 smooth off endline line pit -id sbr3 560.0 388.0 558.0 397.0 549.0 405.0 541.0 405.0 smooth off endline line contour 480.0 119.0 480.0 119.0 505.0 125.0 520.0 143.0 535.0 161.0 535.0 165.0 537.0 181.0 539.0 197.0 538.0 220.0 539.0 233.0 540.0 246.0 546.7 266.32 552.0 271.0 555.23 273.85 560.0 280.5 558.0 285.0 smooth off endline line contour 475.0 127.0 475.0 127.0 512.0 151.0 518.0 159.0 524.0 167.0 529.0 172.0 531.0 182.0 533.0 192.0 533.0 226.0 535.0 239.0 537.0 252.0 548.0 278.0 551.0 281.0 555.47 285.47 552.0 292.0 552.0 292.0 smooth off endline line arrow 735.0 515.0 712.0 517.0 endline line arrow 728.0 477.0 698.0 481.0 endline line contour -clip off 692.0 432.0 692.0 432.0 696.92 439.2 710.0 477.0 723.08 514.8 728.0 536.0 728.0 536.0 smooth off endline line pit -clip off 657.0 411.0 657.0 411.0 647.11 386.22 665.0 422.0 682.89 457.78 669.38 427.77 684.0 465.0 698.62 502.23 707.0 529.0 707.0 529.0 smooth off endline line pit 352.0 91.0 352.0 91.0 368.0 111.0 372.0 120.0 smooth off endline endscrap scrap farside -projection plan -scale [-128 -1247 1800 -1247 0.0 0.0 48.9712 0.0 m] point 875.0 460.0 station -name 31 point 968.0 805.0 air-draught -orientation 230.6 point 844.0 567.0 station -name 32 point 775.0 574.0 station -name 33 point 873.0 726.0 station -name 43a point 948.0 977.0 station -name 43 point 867.0 942.0 station -name 42 point 736.0 770.0 station -name 41 point 1035.0 606.0 station -name 44 line wall 919.0 1102.0 987.0 995.0 endline line arrow 987.0 616.0 949.0 588.0 endline line arrow 1006.0 548.0 969.0 519.0 endline point 973.0 871.0 continuation point 898.0 1109.0 continuation line contour 1032.0 521.0 1032.0 521.0 1012.0 556.0 1007.0 581.0 1002.0 606.0 1001.0 615.0 999.0 624.0 997.0 633.0 996.0 643.0 998.0 654.0 smooth off endline line contour 995.0 484.0 995.0 484.0 964.0 565.0 964.0 593.0 964.0 621.0 967.0 630.0 967.0 630.0 smooth off endline line ceiling-step -id fsceil1 -clip off 741.0 478.0 741.0 478.0 750.0 533.0 769.0 579.0 788.0 625.0 802.0 630.0 817.0 635.0 smooth off endline line contour -reverse on -clip off 868.0 587.0 868.0 587.0 848.0 592.0 823.0 568.0 798.0 544.0 795.0 516.0 795.0 516.0 smooth off 795.0 516.0 773.0 521.0 743.0 490.0 smooth off endline line contour -reverse on -clip off 869.0 579.0 869.0 579.0 844.0 563.0 833.0 550.0 822.0 537.0 807.0 504.0 807.0 504.0 smooth off 807.0 504.0 788.5 504.5 745.5 474.5 smooth off endline line contour -id rbr5c 969.0 448.0 969.0 448.0 945.0 494.0 943.0 514.0 941.0 534.0 940.0 555.0 938.0 573.0 936.89 582.99 940.0 600.0 943.0 612.0 smooth off endline line wall -id rbr5b 1075.0 556.0 1075.0 556.0 1037.0 531.0 1001.0 490.0 965.0 449.0 960.0 437.0 955.0 426.0 smooth off endline line label -text choked 1149.0 645.0 1104.0 713.0 endline line wall -id rbr5a 1125.0 589.0 subtype presumed 1075.0 556.0 endline line wall -id rbr5e 1005.0 656.0 subtype presumed 1072.0 704.0 endline point 817.0 583.0 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0.2.18
by Stacho Mudrak 13 Feb '04

13 Feb '04

On the server, you can find new release of therion. We've made huge improvements especially in automatical map header generation, SQL export (very usefull for finding info about cave you want) and a lot of new map layout features is present. Everything is documented in thbook. There is one thing missing: if you have Img Tcl/Tk plug-in installed, also jpeg and png images are supported in x-therion. Now we will focus on removing bugs and generating random passage fills (debris, sand, etc...) ThTeam.

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