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Mining symbols?
by Christian Rößler (Roessler) 08 May '16

08 May '16

Hallo everyone, I remember faintly that some years ago, when I used Therion for a bit (but did not progress further as centreline output) there was a discussion about mining symbols for Therion. I lost these Mails; archive says 2007. I think this would broaden the applicability of Therion to mine explorers. Has, by any chance, work progressed in this field, as I could not find anything via web/wiki search? If not, how can I help? Are there other miners here who would like mining symbol sets, too? Until then, is there a possibility I can insert a free hand draw of, say, a shaft symbol (which would be more of an area)? Best regards, Christian

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Symbols without map editor, polygon line filling?
by Christian Rößler (Roessler) 08 May '16

08 May '16

Hallo everyone, just two questions, if you please, as it is sometimes not easy to find a negative ('cannot do') when searching through wiki pages and such. I have not mastered working with maps, so far; and I am unsure whether I need them at all. So I would like to know whether it is possible to do these things without them: First, I would like to know if I can get symbols like 'entrance' in the output: In a th-file (called per 'input', of course) I have written the entry |station 0 "Mundloch" entrance and in the thconfig-file: | symbol-show point station …but I cannot get them to show in the output pdf. Is that the wrong way, in principle? Second: The polygon draw leaves edges unfilled when two following, bending polygon lines (centrelines) meet. Can these edges be filled via interpolation or such? Best regards, Christian PS. As I do not want to flood the list with beginner questions, I would be happy if there is someone I could ask simple questions, perhaps via email?

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Re: Centerline: missing start lrud values? How to compensate?
by Martin Sluka 04 May '16

04 May '16

there are 3 ways how to enter LRUD data in Therion: 1. on "to" station data normal from to clino compass length left right up down 1 2 10 120 4 1 1 2 0 2. on both stations: data normal from to clino compass length left right up down 1 2 10 120 4 [0 1] [2 1] [1 2] [0 0] # [on_from on_to] 3. on station data normal from to clino compass length 1 2 10 120 4 data normal station left right up down 1 0 2 1 0 2 1 1 2 0 m.s. On May 03, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Christian Rößler (Roessler) <chr_rossi(a)kartan.de> wrote: Hallo everyone, I have another little problem: I am entering LRUD data of my last mine survey, and I am missing LRUD values of the start of a centerline (way too besmirched paper;). Now, missing values in between would not be such big of a problem, but how do I compensate for missing start values? For now I have entered 0/0/0/0, but that does not seem to be a good way. Best regards, Christian PS. By the way: I have installed a debian within a virtual machine to temporarily solve that Loch compiling problem. But this is uncomfortable, of course. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion(a)speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion

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Centerline: missing start lrud values? How to compensate?
by Christian Rößler (Roessler) 03 May '16

03 May '16

Hallo everyone, I have another little problem: I am entering LRUD data of my last mine survey, and I am missing LRUD values of the start of a centerline (way too besmirched paper;). Now, missing values in between would not be such big of a problem, but how do I compensate for missing start values? For now I have entered 0/0/0/0, but that does not seem to be a good way. Best regards, Christian PS. By the way: I have installed a debian within a virtual machine to temporarily solve that Loch compiling problem. But this is uncomfortable, of course.

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White space along survey lines
by Michael 02 May '16

02 May '16

Hello, Can someone help me with following problem: Survey lines in sketches (not in scraps) bring a white "channel" with them. I.e., white space along the survey lines. The white space makes the sketch beneath partly invisible. See picture. It appears that the white "channel" is derived from LRUD data, because if I omit the LRUD data, the white channel disappears, the survey line displays nicely. I looked at the definitions of l_survey_cave_SKBB and l_survey_cave_UIS (which one is used for symbol set AUT?) but have no idea how to redefine them to ignore LRUD. Michael.

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Re: [Therion] XTherion: Line simplification
by Martin Sluka 06 Apr '16

06 Apr '16

Super! "Convert to curve" works only if there are not smooth points. The conversion will stop on such point. If you remove the smoothness it will continue. Martin On Apr 06, 2016, at 02:56 PM, Владимир Георгиев <vld.georgiev(a)gmail.com> wrote: In most cases it does, but if the points in a line are too many it still leaves more points than I would like. And some remaining points are still very close together because the line segment had some micro-curves that the Bezier lines tries to preserve. In other cases "Conver to curve" doesn't work and does nothing, but I haven't checked the code to see why. Sometimes I just need a simple "rougher" line without curves so I added this option. Vladimir On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka(a)mac.com> wrote: And "Convert to curve" doesn’t works for you? m.s. 6. 4. 2016 v 13:45, Владимир Георгиев <vld.georgiev(a)gmail.com>: Hi guys There was one option I was missing in XTherion to reduce the number of points in a line. I work mostly with Topodroid and depending on the settings while drawing, in some cases I end up with lines with hundreds of points. This makes them harder to edit, enlarges the TH2 file and slows the compilation. I added a menu Edit line > Simplify line that reduces the points. There is also a setting in xtherion.ini called "xth(gui,me,line,simp_limit)" that controls how smooth/rough the line becomes. A value of 10 seemed to work well for me. One limitation is that Bezier lines become simple lines. I've attached a few screenshots, the patch file, and the xtherion.tcl file. Would be nice is someone can test how it works with their scraps. Vladimir <xtherion.rar><0001-xtherion-Added-line-simplification-menu-in-Edit-line.patch><2016-04-06 14_31_40.png><2016-04-06 14_20_41.png><2016-04-06 14_21_13.png><2016-04-06 14_22_09.png><2016-04-06 14_23_15.png><2016-04-06 14_31_09.png>_______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion(a)speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion(a)speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion(a)speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion

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XTherion: Line simplification
by Владимир Георгиев 06 Apr '16

06 Apr '16

Hi guys There was one option I was missing in XTherion to reduce the number of points in a line. I work mostly with Topodroid and depending on the settings while drawing, in some cases I end up with lines with hundreds of points. This makes them harder to edit, enlarges the TH2 file and slows the compilation. I added a menu Edit line > Simplify line that reduces the points. There is also a setting in xtherion.ini called "xth(gui,me,line,simp_limit)" that controls how smooth/rough the line becomes. A value of 10 seemed to work well for me. One limitation is that Bezier lines become simple lines. I've attached a few screenshots, the patch file, and the xtherion.tcl file. Would be nice is someone can test how it works with their scraps. Vladimir

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Re: [Therion] Setting Scrap Colours
by Bruce Mutton 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

Vladimir, OllyI have not tested the map colour patch. It looks like you have done a good job. I second Vladimir's suggestions and requests and look forward to the precompiled update! Bruce Sent from my Samsung device, hence the typo's

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Re: [Therion] Setting Scrap Colours
by Bruce Mutton 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

I use colour by scrap quite often as a drawing aid. Random is fine for that. Colour by map would be the more useful to be able to specify for 'finished presentations'. Colour by map has been discussed and requested from time to time. Bruce Sent from my Samsung device, hence the typo's -------- Original message -------- From: Footleg <drfootleg(a)gmail.com> Date: 11/03/2016 02:25 (GMT+12:00) To: List for Therion users <therion(a)speleo.sk> Subject: [Therion] Setting Scrap Colours I've been doing some more work on my Therion Tutorial, which has led me to explore more options than I typically use. One of these is to colour scraps different colours. All I can find in the Therion Book is how to specify to colour map-fg by altitude or by scrap. If I do either of these then the colours are assigned automatically. I've searched my email history and seen that colour by altitude has been discussed before, but I can't work out if there is supposed to be a way to set the colour for a scrap? If this isn't currently possible, then if would be ideally implemented in the layout so that if is not coded into the drawings of the scraps themselves. Perhaps a syntax to let you specify as follows: colour <scrap name> <colour> Am I missing a way to do this in the existing release? Footleg

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2016 NSS Cartographic Salon
by Martin Sluka 03 Apr '16

03 Apr '16

I think, that it is great opportunity to show results from Therion to cavers world. They are looking for entries to next categories: • Electronic Displays Electronic displays of maps are welcome, as long as the entrant supplies the necessary equipment and is entirely responsible for its set up and security. Such maps should be on display through convention day and evening hours from Monday to Friday noon. Stands or tables for display equipment must be supplied or arranged for by the entrant. • Web Maps Web based maps will be considered for entry by the judges. Innovation in this media is welcome and encouraged. Criteria specific to web based maps have not yet been developed for this salon, but it is likely that the presentation should include features that use the web format to advantage. A plain PDF of a wall map as viewed on a laptop is unlikely to be well received. We will post the web address of the map in the salon area (include the URL on your entry form) or feel free to create your own poster to draw an audience. Maybe show a barcode link for smartphones. The map will be reviewed by judges using a 17-inch laptop (1920 x 1080 resolution), Windows 7, Internet Explorer 8, a three-button (center scroll wheel) wireless mouse, and the local WIFI. • Models Models or other 3D maps are welcome. Stands or tables for models, and any special lighting, must be supplied by the entrant. Check: https://caves.org/committee/salons/Cartographic.shtml m.s.

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