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Displaying survey shots in map editor
by Thorir Jonsson 08 Nov '17

08 Nov '17

Hi, I slowly learning how to generate maps with therion, but can't figure out how to display the survey shots in the map editor. I am using distoX2 with topodroid during surveys and then exporting the data to therion. Any help would be appreciated. Best regards, Þórir Már

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Therion crashes in shapes.h when generating 3D
by Michael 04 Nov '17

04 Nov '17

Hello, Seeking advice from Therion developers how to track down the cause of attached crash report, and apply possible workaround. Only happens when generating 3D of any format. Producing plans (pdf, kml) works. I'm running Therion 5.4.1 on Windows 7. The crash seems unrelated to the last scrap processed before the crash, because when I exclude that scrap, it crashes after approx. the same time with a different one. Any help appreciated, Michael.

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DXF output
by Ben Cooper 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

I'm struggling to output a DXF format map and model from Therion. I've found that the map export does not load into two different DXF viewers, both giving no errors but showing nothing. The model output works, but is 100-times too small (ie the default unit appears to be cm rather than m). Can anyone provide any advice what I might be doing wrong? Many thanks, Ben

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Theodolite data
by Ben Cooper 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

Is there a way to incorporate Theodolite data into Therion? Many thanks, Ben

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Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 143, Issue 1
by Graham Mullan 02 Nov '17

02 Nov '17

Ben Cooper wrote: Is there a way to incorporate Theodolite data into Therion? We dealt with historic theodolite data by fudging it and using the generated legacy listing of fixed points. However, when needing to use a total station in an area of a show cave with too much ironmongery to use magnetic instruments, we took a magnetic bearing on the first total station leg and took that as a baseline. Graham

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full grid for expended
by Vasily Vl. Suhachev 28 Oct '17

28 Oct '17

Hello, Is it possible to make map/atlas with grid for extended elevation with both grid lines (horizontal and vertical)? -- WBR, Vasily

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Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
by Bruce Mutton 24 Oct '17

24 Oct '17

Just a reminder, As far as I know, the current installation files mess up your Windows registry and both the installation folders if you have an existing installation in the ‘all users’ area and then you install over that with ‘only for me’. If you have a previous installation on a Windows machine, and you want to keep all your customised settings (ie without uninstalling the existing installation first), select 'Install for all users', and NOT 'Install only for me'. Otherwise you'll need to manually hack the registry to unpick the carnage. I posted about this on 30May2017, but for some reason it does not show up in the Mail Archive. I’ll post it again in parallel with this message. I’ll put my vote in again for the simple tried and true ‘install for all users’. Aside from the big issues (registry carnage), you know your installation files and settings will always be in C:\Program Files… Bruce From: Therion [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Michal Danko via Therion Sent: Monday, 16 October 2017 8:33 PM To: List for Therion users <therion(a)speleo.sk> Cc: Michal Danko <michal.danko(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs Hi all, any news about installer without admin rights? For my it would be very handy because i use sometimes company pc without admin... S pozdravom Ing. Michal Danko On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Владимир Георгиев via Therion <therion(a)speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: I got your idea :) That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder, not in Program files. The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion user will have to install their own copy :) Vlad On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion <therion(a)speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user only. Footleg On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion <therion(a)speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old installer too. But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user problem. Vlad On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion <therion(a)speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on each page to accept the default install under Program Files. Footleg On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion(a)speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote: It is outside of my area of expertise, however: * No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. * No 2 is OK by me. I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. Bruce From: Therion [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk <mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk> ] On Behalf Of ???????? ???????? via Therion Sent: Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM To: List for Therion users <therion(a)speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > Cc: Владимир Георгиев <vld.georgiev(a)gmail.com <mailto:vld.georgiev@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs About the installer problems... Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not prevent all possible problems though. 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older installers worked and always installed in Program Files. In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current folder. Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? Vladimir

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<symbol-set>s missing from in the Therion Book
by Felix Ossig-Bonanno 24 Oct '17

24 Oct '17

I have just started learning Therion, and after drawing up my first survey I got some feedback. The main point was to use local symbols. So I set about trying to convert my survey to use the NSS standard. Reading the Therion Book <https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/thbook.pdf> it seemed like it wasn't supported, as it is not mentioned on page 51 (along with some other standards that are actually supported). Searching some more I found that it was listed in https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/_media/therion_symbols_20130407_.pdf along with several other <symbol-set>s not mentioned in the Therion Book. I wasn't sure if if these should be added, and thought i'd send this to make ppl aware. Regards, Felix

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Exporting 3d models
by Graham Mullan 21 Oct '17

21 Oct '17

Is there any plan to allow the export of lox models in pdf format, so that they can be manipulated in Adobe Acrobat Reader? This would allow 3d models to be viewed more widely, by users who otherwise have no need to download & install Therion. Graham graham.mullan(a)coly.org.uk

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Full Date to PDF Map
by Felix Ossig-Bonanno 19 Oct '17

19 Oct '17

Hi, I am very new to Therion. I have spent the last 2 days learning it and have completed the Footleg tutorial (http://wscc.darkgem.com/footleg/therion/) and am currently in the process of drawing up a small extension I surveyed a few days ago. I wanted to add the full date to the survey (at the moment it only shows the year), but short of just using the "map-comment" command, I haven't been able to work out how to do this. I'm sure it must be pretty straight forward, so hopefully this is easy to answer. If anyone has a good place for me to continue learning (on from the Footleg tutorial) that would also be cool, as I can see my self wanting to change how the maps look in other ways in the future (maybe the north arrow for example, specifying what kind of north it is representing). Thanks, Felix

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