November 2007 - Therion

Getting Scraps into the plans and elevations
by Bruce Mutton 18 Nov '07

18 Nov '07

A breakthrough, thanks to Ben "Create point station, and name it with a station name within your survey (note that this is -name and not -id)." My simple misunderstanding and error was to try to make scrap survey station -id match survey centreline station numbers. Very counterintuitive, due to the interface not having a dedicated -name input box, and the object display area listing -id's but not -names. I guess that's why we help each other! At the risk of asking the same questions as recently answered posts. 1. Why does my centreline disappear beyond the extent of the scrap plotted? Whether I process just SurveyN.th or TheWholeCaveWithManySurveysINDEX.th I only get my first ever little scrap. I'd like to see it in context with my centreline with passage shading in the same output document. Loch seems to modify the passage with scraps while retaining all the passage with only centreline and LRUD data. I get the feeling I need to include the survey within the map command somehow, but no luck. 2. What is wrong with the following .th2 syntax created by the map editor interface? point 419.25 -243.0 label -orientation 0.0 Greenlink Entrance It triggers an error "-- unknown option - Greenlink" when I had hoped that it would plot the text on the drawing. If I comment out the line it works fine, just no labels! 3. I do like the way the .lox model follows the walls drawn on the scrap! Will it do the same if I create elevation scraps? Or only if I create extended elevation scraps? I have attached a complete self contained set of files that I using to experiment with these concepts. Regards Bruce

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authors of scraps
by Martin Sluka 18 Nov '07

18 Nov '07

Just a note: Try to add in options field of definition of your scraps something as -author 2007 "Martin Sluka". It will produce the line in map header: "Drawn by: Martin Sluka 2007" so anybody may see who is responsible for that mess :). If several mappers work together on large project it is possible to recognize later who drawn the particular scrap. Martin

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Spikes and shadow passage in Loch output
by Stelios Zacharias 16 Nov '07

16 Nov '07

Dear all, I have some artefacts appearing in my loch output of a cave I am working on. I have attached the lox file zipped. The cave is split into two scraps, although I do not think this is causing the problem. The first difficulty is the appearance of a shadow passage, in the south and west of the diagram. The passage should be in the blue zone for depth, but there is a high echo and a sloping line unconnected to either the high echo or the actual passage. The scrap border is at the meeting point of the three. The other problem concerns spikes either upwards or downwards which appear usually in chambers. Two examples of this might be seen at the far eastern end of the survey. If the .th and .th2 files are needed for investigation, I would be happy to send them. I look forward to any hints that might be shared. Thanks, Stelios Zacharias Stelios Zacharias SELAS Caving Club Pasionos 44-46 Athens - 116 31 Greece www.selas.org Skype: stelzac

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Re: [Therion] Patch for wx2.8 and 64-bit issues
by Christian Rößler (Roessler) 16 Nov '07

16 Nov '07

Good evening, I have read about the need to upgrade to therion 0.5.1. So I am busy at work compiling. Unfortunately it fails with the line | lxRender.cxx:(.text+0x59a): undefined reference to `vtk_png_write_end' So I searched, and found the archived thread "Patch for wx2.8 and 64-bit issues", noticed the patch there talks about lxRenderer. I also use wx2.8 on x86-64, so I thought the patch would apply to me. There was no mention of the failing line, so I presume it would be the same. I have 0.5.1 from the actual download at therion.speleo.sk. But applying the patch file to loch/lxRender.cxx fails with | patching file loch/lxRender.cxx | patch: **** malformed patch at line 12: @@ -439,7 +439,7 @@ I read in that post about the name problem, so I searched lxRender.cxx for wxSAVE successfully, and so it seems my lxRender.cxx needs patching. Is there a svn where I can check it out? Or has anyone an already patched lxRender.cxx fitting 0.5.1, and can send it to me by email, please? Best regards, Christian

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Compiling on Mac Intel
by thierrygonon 16 Nov '07

16 Nov '07

Hi everybody, I'm trying to compile the latest therion source on a Mac Intel Core 2 Duo, running OS V 10.4.10 It doesn't work, saying "wrong cpu type", (I used the make config-macosx command). How can I solve the problem...? Thanks Thierry

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Re: [Therion] Introduction and question about join-syntax
by Thierry Gonon 15 Nov '07

15 Nov '07

Hi Christian, I'm a french user of therion and use it for caves and also ancient mines as I'm an archaeologist specialised in this domain. I think it could be interesting to share our practise with this software, to see what feets well our needs and we specially need... So, if you think the same, let me know !! Thierry Christian Rößler (Roessler) a écrit : > Good day, > > first let me introduce myself, perhaps: I am (of course) new to the Therion > list. Well, I am from southern germany, the black forest, to be exact; and I > am primarily interested in abandoned mines, not in caves. So I went on the > search for a capable map-making software, found Therion and started with it - > please bear with my as I am posting surely some stupid beginner's mistakes. > > Very nice software, Therion, by the way; and many thanks to the developers. > > But I have some problems. We are used to make lrud data when surveying mines, > so I am bound to lrud (left-right-up-down I mean). I have come as far as > mapping a single centerline successfully, but when I try to join two > centerlines at the appropriate point I am stuck. I have tried al lot of > possible join-syntaxes, so I fear my error lies perhaps deeper. > > I always get: > | therion: error -- can not connect 0@Eisenbach_2.Eisenbach to centerline > | network > > I have a master file [eisenbach_hotel.thconfig] with just one line in it: > | source eisenbach_hotel.th > > [eisenbach_hotel.th] reads: > | survey Eisenbach -title "Hotelstollen Eisenbach Intervall 1" > | input eisenbach_hotel_intervall_1.th > | input eisenbach_hotel_intervall_2.th > | join Eisenbach_2@0 Eisenbach_1@15.25:end > | #join 0@Eisenbach_2.Eisenbach 14@Eisenbach_1.Eisenbach > | endsurvey > > If I out-comment one input line, no matter which, and insert an appropriate > line with export in other place man I can successfully generate a background > image for both after compiling, so I think the two data sets are ok. I have > inserted these two sets below. > > Please, can anyone give me a functioning join line, or, if the error lies > elsewhere, point me in the right direction? > > Many thanks, > Christian > > > The tho data sets: > [eisenbach_hotel_intervall_1.th]: > | survey Eisenbach_1 -title "Eisenbach 1. Intervall" > | centerline > | date 2007.11.08 > | declination -2 degrees > | team "CHR" > | data normal from to length compass clino left right up down > | 0 2 2 340 1 0.55 1.30 1.40 0 > | [ ... data in between snipped for brevity] > | 14 15.25 1.25 340 1 0.45 0.27 1.78 0 > | endcenterline > | endsurvey > > [eisenbach_hotel_intervall_2.th]: > | survey Eisenbach_2 -title "Eisenbach 2. Intervall" > | centerline > | date 2007.11.08 > | declination -2 degrees > | team "CHR" > | data normal from to length compass clino left right up down > | 0 2 2 330 1 0.40 0.25 1.68 0 > | [...] > | 14 15.25 1.25 330 1 0.69 0.37 1.40 0 > | endcenterline > | endsurvey > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion(a)speleo.sk > http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion >

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Introduction and question about join-syntax
by Christian Rößler (Roessler) 14 Nov '07

14 Nov '07

Good day, first let me introduce myself, perhaps: I am (of course) new to the Therion list. Well, I am from southern germany, the black forest, to be exact; and I am primarily interested in abandoned mines, not in caves. So I went on the search for a capable map-making software, found Therion and started with it - please bear with my as I am posting surely some stupid beginner's mistakes. Very nice software, Therion, by the way; and many thanks to the developers. But I have some problems. We are used to make lrud data when surveying mines, so I am bound to lrud (left-right-up-down I mean). I have come as far as mapping a single centerline successfully, but when I try to join two centerlines at the appropriate point I am stuck. I have tried al lot of possible join-syntaxes, so I fear my error lies perhaps deeper. I always get: | therion: error -- can not connect 0@Eisenbach_2.Eisenbach to centerline | network I have a master file [eisenbach_hotel.thconfig] with just one line in it: | source eisenbach_hotel.th [eisenbach_hotel.th] reads: | survey Eisenbach -title "Hotelstollen Eisenbach Intervall 1" | input eisenbach_hotel_intervall_1.th | input eisenbach_hotel_intervall_2.th | join Eisenbach_2@0 Eisenbach_1@15.25:end | #join 0@Eisenbach_2.Eisenbach 14@Eisenbach_1.Eisenbach | endsurvey If I out-comment one input line, no matter which, and insert an appropriate line with export in other place man I can successfully generate a background image for both after compiling, so I think the two data sets are ok. I have inserted these two sets below. Please, can anyone give me a functioning join line, or, if the error lies elsewhere, point me in the right direction? Many thanks, Christian The tho data sets: [eisenbach_hotel_intervall_1.th]: | survey Eisenbach_1 -title "Eisenbach 1. Intervall" | centerline | date 2007.11.08 | declination -2 degrees | team "CHR" | data normal from to length compass clino left right up down | 0 2 2 340 1 0.55 1.30 1.40 0 | [ ... data in between snipped for brevity] | 14 15.25 1.25 340 1 0.45 0.27 1.78 0 | endcenterline | endsurvey [eisenbach_hotel_intervall_2.th]: | survey Eisenbach_2 -title "Eisenbach 2. Intervall" | centerline | date 2007.11.08 | declination -2 degrees | team "CHR" | data normal from to length compass clino left right up down | 0 2 2 330 1 0.40 0.25 1.68 0 | [...] | 14 15.25 1.25 330 1 0.69 0.37 1.40 0 | endcenterline | endsurvey

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Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's)
by Ladislav Blazek 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Hi, please read the therion book... You can specify LRUD for both points (From, To). Just use syntax like this: Data from to compass clino length left right up down 1 1a 45 10 0.01 [0.0 1.0] [2.0 1.5] [2.2 1.8] [0.5 0.2] where first number is for "From" point and second one is for "To" point. L. Cooper, Ben napsal(a): > My experience is that the LRUD applies to the "To" station. In order to > generate the first "From" station LRUD, I manually create a Dummy > station, 1cm away from the true starting station, as follows: > > E.g. > Data from to compass clino length left right up down > # 1 2 45 10 6.00 0.0 2.0 2.0 0.5 # station 1 LRUD > 1 1a 45 10 0.01 0.0 2.0 2.2 0.5 # station 1 LRUD > 1a 2 45 10 5.99 2.0 0.0 2.1 0.6 # station 2 LRUD > > I also find that reverse legs, or dog-legs are not handled well by LRUD. > This is not a criticism of Therion, but a confusion with the surveyors. > It is not so simple to say that the LRUD applies to the direction of the > survey, because the LRUD applies to a station, which may have legs taken > both From and To it. Therefore, our convention is to record LRUD in the > direction of the passage. If we turn around, the passage Left and Right > remain where they were! I then need to disentangle this in the .th file > in order to get the XVI looking correct. > > I then create passage-name.th2, insert th XVI, insert station points > over the centreline, and draw the walls over the LRUD with reference to > any sketches we have produced. It's that simple. For stage 2 of our > surveying project, we plan to print out these "rough" surveys onto > waterproof paper, and then re-draw the cave onto these sheets while > actually standing in the cave. For that purpose, a pdf output of the > XVI is all we need! > - Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On > Behalf Of Bruce Mutton > Sent: 12 November 2007 19:09 > To: therion(a)speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) > > Hi Ben > My first encounter with Therion was about two weeks ago, and the things > that > work well for me just seem to keep getting better, but there are some > (rather critical) things that still escape me, like overlaying scraps > onto > the centreline. I thought I'd see what you had done in the hope it > would > shed some light on my problems... > > Anyway, your query. The email system scrambled your *.th listing, but I > think I patched it up OK. (Perhaps it's better to attach the file, then > we > can open it directly with just one double click.) > > My understanding is that the LRUD data apply to the 'from' station, not > the > 'to' station. But I see your point, your plots, and the plot attached > seem > to indicate something different is going on. > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On > Behalf > Of Cooper, Ben > Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 9:37 p.m. > To: therion(a)speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) > > Well, I've now upgraded, but am getting strange results. See attached > PDFs. The raw XVI are OK, but in NewPassage_CL.PDF, each LRUD > parallelogram seems to be flipped over. Below is the raw NewPassage.th > file. Note that the centreline output of the entire cave (UF_CL.pdf) > handles NewPassage slightly better (but still not perfectly) than > NewPassage on its own. > > Am I doing something wrong? > - Ben > > > encoding utf-8 > survey NewPassage -title "New Passage" > centreline > equate 35@Leg1 51@Leg2 > endcentreline > survey Leg1 # From Boulder Choke to Walk The Plank > centerline > flags duplicate # duplicate of Boulder Choke legs for reference in > th2 file. > extend right > data normal from to length compass clino left right up down > bc32 bc33 2.33 201 -54 1.1 0.3 0.5 > 0.3 #33 (Through Easy Squeeze) > data normal from to length compass clino > bc33 bc34 3.07 239 -39 > data normal from to length compass clino left right up down > bc34 bc35 2.49 231 -57 0.9 0.3 0.5 > 0.6 #35 > bc35 bc36 2.13 194 -37 0.4 0 0.2 > 0.8 #36 > bc36 bc37 2.5 141 +06 0.5 0 0.8 > 0 #37 > bc37 bc38 3.74 139 -09 1.6 0.2 0.7 > 1.5 #38 > bc38 bc39a 2.75 136 -10 0 1.15 1.6 > 1.0 #39 > bc39a 1 0.01 136 -10 6 1.15 > 5 1.0 #1 LRUD Est > flags not duplicate > > extend left > data normal from to length compass clino > 1 bc40 11 052 +43 > > extend right > mark 1 painted > data normal\ > from to length compass clino left right up > down > 1 2 29.46 153 -25 4.3 2.4 4.8 > 1.4 #2 > station 2 "Emergency Dump" > 2 3 16.09 144 -04 3.4 3.0 2.9 > 1.4 #3 > 3 4 11.44 142 -11 4.2 2.0 0.9 > 1.6 #4 > 4 5 9.48 142 -29 1.5 1.3 3.4 > 1.2 #5 > 5 6 6.08 166.5 -18 0.2 0.4 2.2 > 0.8 #6 > 6 7 3.22 154 -09 2.0 0.8 0.5 > 0.5 #7 > 7 8 1.75 140 -04 1.7 0.6 1.1 > 1.0 #8 > 8 9 9.27 178.5 -12.5 1.2 1.3 0.5 > 1.0 #9 > 9 10 1.6 159.5 -20.5 0.2 1.3 0.6 > 0.6 #10 > 10 11 2.95 156 -11 0.9 0.3 1.0 > 0.2 #11 > 11 12 5.36 131 +03 1.5 1.2 6.7 > 0.5 #12 > 12 13 8.17 124.5 +06 0 0.7 6.2 > 1.6 #13 > 13 14 8.37 132 +7.5 0.9 2.7 2.2 > 1.8 #14 > 14 15 8.81 147 -10 0.8 2.1 5.4 > 1.4 #15 > 15 16 5.75 235 -10.5 0 1.0 5.6 > 1.0 #16 > 16 17 6.54 272 +2 0.7 0 5.1 > 1.3 #17 > 17 18 2.81 245 -19 0 0.3 0.4 > 0.6 #18 > 18 19 7.54 262 0 0 1.7 5.1 > 0.8 #19 > 19 20 6.03 263 -2 1.0 0.6 3.6 > 0.7 #20 > 20 21 2.26 205 -2 0 0.6 0.6 > 0.5 #21 > 20 20a 4 325 0 0 1 2 > 0.5 #20a estimated LRUD > 21 22 4.58 162 +9 0.7 0 5.2 > 1.3 #22 > 22 23 4.15 144 -4 1.0 0.2 0.5 > 1.0 #23 > 23 24 13.68 140.5 -2.5 1.5 1.5 4.9 > 0.6 #24 > 24 25 8.61 216 +6 0 2.3 1.5 > 1.8 #25 > 25 26 4.58 304 -13 1.1 0.9 1.8 > 1.0 #26 > 26 27 12.65 281 +1 0.4 1.2 2.2 > 1.3 #27 > 27 28 5.59 304 -5 0.8 1.2 1.2 > 0.9 #28 > 28 29 5.46 275 -6 0.2 1.0 0.5 > 0.4 #29 > 29 30 3.63 312 +2 0.4 0 2.7 > 0.5 #30 > #31 30 10.16 103 -3.5 0.5 0.8 0.2 1.4 #31 > 30 31 10.16 283 +3.5 0.5 0.8 0.2 > 1.4 #31 REVERSED > 31 32 4.48 276 +3 1.0 0.4 1.6 > 1.4 #32 > 32 33 8.42 286 -5 1.5 0.8 1.8 > 0.7 #33 > 33 34 14.82 271 +1 0.3 2.2 3.2 > 1.2 #34 > 34 35 20.06 290.5 +2 2.5 1 2 > 1.5 #35 estimated LRUD > mark 35 painted # ==51@Leg2 > endcentreline > endsurvey # Leg1 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On > Behalf Of Cooper, Ben > Sent: 11 November 2007 19:56 > To: therion(a)speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) > > Aha - thanks Stacho. I'm still on 0.5.0. Upgrading now...! > Regards, > - Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On > Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak > Sent: 08 November 2007 19:53 > To: therion(a)speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) > > Just few remarks: > > 1. Did you use latest version of therion (0.5.1)? It is a new feature > in that version. > > 2. You may also use other colors that gray. Just add > color map-fg [100 50 50] > to your layout. Numbers mean intensities of red, green and blue. > > 3. Options in layout and export command are the same. In layout, you can > use > > color map-fg 50 > > and in export command option -layout-color map-fg 50 > > HTH, S. > > Bruce Mutton wrote: >> Ben >> I tried Stacho's suggestion, and it worked fine, although I think he >> abbreviated the syntax of the export command a bit much. Here's my > more >> verbose version... >> >> layout bruce-map-export >> north true >> scale 1 500 >> base-scale 1 500 >> units metric >> >> page-grid on >> grid-size 100 100 100 metres >> # layout-map-header 0 0 s #causes error? >> legend on >> statistics explo all >> statistics topo all >> statistics carto all >> statistics copyright all >> debug on >> endlayout >> >> export map -projection plan -layout bruce-map-export \ >> -layout-color map-fg 90 \ >> -output SurveyPlan.pdf -fmt pdf >> >> Try this Ben. The 90 gives a passage that is more lightly shaded than > 50. >> Good Luck >> Bruce >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On > Behalf >> Of Cooper, Ben >> Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 3:44 a.m. >> To: therion(a)speleo.sk >> Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps >> >> Hi Stacho, >> I've been wanting to get print-outs of XVI, too, so I am verry >> interested in your recommendation, below. I've tried it, but this is >> the result I get: only the centreline is visible, not LRUD. >> - Ben Cooper >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: therion-bounces(a)speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On >> Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak >> Sent: 06 November 2007 12:24 >> To: therion(a)speleo.sk >> Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps >> >> >> ...<text removed>... >> >> Stacho's Example: >> >> source >> map centerline-map >> my-survey >> endmap >> endsource >> >> select centerline-map >> export map.pdf -layout-color map-fg 50 -layout-scale 1 500 >> >> >> ... where my-survey is the name of top-level survey. >> >> ...<text removed>... >> >> Regards, S. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion(a)speleo.sk >> http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion(a)speleo.sk > http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion(a)speleo.sk > http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion(a)speleo.sk > http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > -- Ladislav Blazek

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New Zealand Therion Users
by Bruce Mutton 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Are there any forum members based in New Zealand? Other than my friend Michael B. If so I'd be interested in chatting. Bruce

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Compilation error
by Vilius A 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Good day to all, may be someone can halp me with the compilation and instaliation of Therion 0.5.1 under Gentoo Linux? I' m using 0.5.0, but I cannot compile the newer one. The error is: ============================================================ # make make -C ./loch make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/therion-0.5.1/loch' c++ -c -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLOCH -DLXLINUX -I/usr/lib/wx/include/gtk2-unicode-release-2.6 -I/usr/include/wx-2.6 -DGTK_NO_CHECK_CASTS -D__WXGTK__ -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGE_FILES -DNO_GCC_PRAGMA -Wno-deprecated -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/vtk-5.0 -O2 -o lxSetup.o lxSetup.cxx In file included from lxSetup.h:22, from lxSetup.cxx:37: lxData.h:34:25: error: vtkPolyData.h: No such file or directory lxData.h:35:28: error: vtkLookupTable.h: No such file or directory lxData.h:36:31: error: vtkAppendPolyData.h: No such file or directory lxData.h:37:32: error: vtkPolyDataNormals.h: No such file or directory lxData.h:38:34: error: vtkDepthSortPolyData.h: No such file or directory lxData.h:39:31: error: vtkTriangleFilter.h: No such file or directory lxData.h:40:25: error: vtkStripper.h: No such file or directory In file included from lxSetup.h:22, from lxSetup.cxx:37: lxData.h:96: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'vtkPolyData' with no type lxData.h:96: error: expected ';' before '*' token lxData.h:97: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'vtkTriangleFilter' with no type lxData.h:97: error: expected ';' before '*' token lxData.h:98: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'vtkDepthSortPolyData' with no type lxData.h:98: error: expected ';' before '*' token lxData.h:99: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'vtkAppendPolyData' with no type lxData.h:99: error: expected ';' before '*' token lxData.h:100: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'vtkStripper' with no type lxData.h:100: error: expected ';' before '*' token lxData.h:101: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'vtkPolyDataNormals' with no type lxData.h:101: error: expected ';' before '*' token lxData.h:102: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'vtkLookupTable' with no type lxData.h:102: error: expected ';' before '*' token lxSetup.cxx: In member function 'void lxSetup::UpdateData()': lxSetup.cxx:122: error: 'vtkPolyData' was not declared in this scope lxSetup.cxx:122: error: 'w' was not declared in this scope lxSetup.cxx:123: error: 'struct lxData' has no member named 'allWalls' lxSetup.cxx:138: error: 'struct lxData' has no member named 'luTable' lxSetup.cxx:140: error: 'struct lxData' has no member named 'luTable' lxSetup.cxx:143: error: 'struct lxData' has no member named 'surface' lxSetup.cxx:143: error: 'struct lxData' has no member named 'surface' lxSetup.cxx:144: error: 'struct lxData' has no member named 'surface' lxSetup.cxx:160: error: 'struct lxData' has no member named 'luTable' make[1]: *** [lxSetup.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/therion-0.5.1/loch' make: *** [loch/loch] Error 2 ======================================================= If I shoud and any aditional info just let me know. Thank you in advance, Vilius ------------------ www.speleo.lt

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