Yes, but there was no actual survey associated with the trip that he went on, no data was actually collected. My data is broken down by trip, so when I create dataless trip to include him on, Therion doesn't count it. Sorry, I should have been more specific. I know how to include team members, I just don't know how to get Therion to include team members when there was no survey collected. If this is still unclear, I'll send along some data :-). -Jonny ^v^ On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:13 AM, <ben@caver.plus.com> wrote:

Same way as for survey members. Use the "team" command within the Centreline context, perhaps with the "notes" or "pictures" role. From the Book:- team <person> [<roles>] . a survey team member. The 1st argument is his/her name, the others describe the roles of the person in the team (optional|currently not used). The following role keywords are supported: station, length, tape, compass, bearing, clino, gradient, counter, depth, station, position, notes, pictures, pics, instruments (insts), assistant (dog).

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Hello, I'm curious as to how I can get my buddy's name on a map even though he didn't go on a survey trip where actual surveying was going on. We went in and sketched already surveyed passage. Is there a simple way to do this? Thanks.

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I was thinking of using explo-team, but technically it wasn't exploration. We were sketching passage that we had surveyed on a previous trip, when we didn't sketch. I could certainly simply put him in as a sketcher in the data associated with the previous trip. He wasn't on that trip though, and that would mess up the historical value of my documentation, because it would be innacurate :-). Perhaps I should explain my particular difficulty. It's probably an artifact of the way I have my data organized. I create a seperate map/endmap pair for each individual trip. I then have a root map/endmap pair which is used to include all of the maps from each individual trip. This allows me to quickly add or remove survey data from the map as the need arises. So the problem is that on trip 9, there was no data collection. I created a survey for trip9 to record the fact that we went in and sketched, but I assume since there was no survey data collected (assuming sketches don't count), therion won't include my friends name on the map, even though it doesn't complain about my trip9.th file during compilation. I know of several ways to force therion to include the name, but I don't want to force it. I can think of numerous other places where including people on the map that did not survey would be useful. The cave we are surveying has signatures that Union soldiers scratched into the walls during the Siege of Chattanooga in 1863. It would be nice to be able to include the name of the historian that determined this, since the signatures will probably be indicated on the map. I know of no way to do this however, since no survey data was collected on that trip. So I guess this is more of a request for Stacho to add the ability to include more team roles and not constrain them to being associated with centerline data. I realize this is probably a HUGE headache though, so more than likely I'll just force the names onto the map. If a major change in how team data is stored within Therion eventually becomes necessary for some other reason, however, it would be GREAT to include this functionality!! Thank you all very much for your advice, btw. I appreciate it greatly! -Jonny ^v^ On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Duncan Collis <duncan.collis@gmail.com> wrote:

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I know how to include team members, I just don't know how to get Therion to include team members when there was no survey collected.

Use the commands:

explo-date <date>

and

explo-team <person>

within your survey data file. The values of <date> and <person> should reflect when that section of passage was explored and by whom.

So, you might have something like this:

explo-date 2006.02.28 explo-team "Person A" explo-team "Person B" date 2006.03.04 team "Person A" notes team "Person C" compass clino team "Person D" tape

in the example above Person A was on both the exploration and the survey trips, whilst Person B only took part in the exploration - however they will still get credited on the final survey.

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I agree, I don't want to see Therion become unnecessarily complex. I guess this is an issue of whether Therion should be used for more general cave documentation, beyond "conventional" surveying. I personally think it would be nice to be able to add arbitrary team members, not simply just explo-team and team. Perhaps I'll dig through the source code and see if there isn't some easy way of adding this functionality. I imagine Stacho has more important things to do :-). -Jonny ^v^ On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com> wrote:

On 30.5.2008, at 16:14, Jonny wrote:

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however, it would be GREAT to include this functionality!!

I understand you very well, but it looks therion starts be more and more complicated just include all possible situations and scenarios to make documentation of caves. But what to do. :)

It is a task for Stacho, definitely.

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Hi Stacho, today I was working on a 3D model of a cave. Am I wrong or does Therion not use the extended elevation but only the 2D plan view for the 3D model? It would be great to be able to create a full 3D model of a cave using all available 2D map projections including profiles. Regards, Juergen

Wouldn't it possible to take the up-down information from LRUD when they are present? Currently, it seems that as soon as there is a scrap, LRUD are completely ignored, which sometimes create very strange shapes which completely contradict the LRUD. Xavier Stacho Mudrak wrote:

Unfortunatelly, you are right - current algorithm uses only plan projection to create 3D model - no elevation projections are used.

For vertical caves, this modelling approach is completely wrong. I would like to change this, but no time until now :(

Regards, S.

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Juergen Bohnert <juergen@bohnert.name> wrote:

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Hi Stacho,

today I was working on a 3D model of a cave.

Am I wrong or does Therion not use the extended elevation but only the 2D plan view for the 3D model?

It would be great to be able to create a full 3D model of a cave using all available 2D map projections including profiles.

Regards,

Juergen

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