[Therion] Экспорт в KML - export cave-list html and kml

Sun Jan 28 09:45:14 CET 2018

Bruce this was excellent information, thank you!

Panagiotis

On 28 January 2018 at 08:53, Владимир Георгиев via Therion <
therion at speleo.sk> wrote:

> Bruce
>
> Very good test and illustrations. You are my Therion guru :)
> Using both markings seems to be a good way to separate the "cave" (main
> entrance marked on the survey command) from the secondary entrances
> (marked with station commands), and to switch the secondary ones on/off
> in the lists.
>
> Btw, if you use -surveys off it hides the entrances, but only if you
> have defined a "cave main entrance" in the survey. If there is no main
> entrance, it still shows all the secondary ones defined with station.
>
> Would you have the time to put your description and screenshots in the
> wiki? This is good information have.
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 4:45 AM, Bruce Mutton via Therion <
> therion at speleo.sk> wrote:
>
>> Sorry С уважением, I may have taken over your post!
>>
>>
>>
>> > I suspect the kml exports are not reporting the hierarchy however.
>>
>> I was wrong, export cave-list -fmt kml does report the full hierarchy,
>> and may even behave better than the html output.
>>
>> But it is a bit complicated – I did some testing…
>>
>>
>>
>> Using this general form of survey definition…
>>
>> survey 01 -title “Some Cave name” -entrance 1
>>
>> #defining the entrance here as part of survey definition tells Therion
>> ‘it is a cave’
>>
>>   centerline
>>     cs lat-long
>>     fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234  # set the GPS coordinates and
>> elevation of station 0
>>     station 3 "Some other entrance name" entrance
>>
>>       # Mark station 3 as another entrance of ‘Some Cave name’ cave, and
>> display it’s name also
>>
>>     …
>>
>>   endcenterline
>>
>> endsurvey
>>
>>
>>
>> And using these exports….
>>
>>
>>
>> *#**html*
>>
>> export cave-list \
>>
>>   -surveys on   \ # on = show survey, cave hierarchy, & entrances so long
>> as location is on,
>>
>>                   # off = show caves only, not entrances, no hierarchy
>>
>>   -location on \  # on = show cave coords, and entrance coordinates only
>> if surveys are on
>>
>>                   # off = no coordinates
>>
>>    -output ./Output/RiwakaSystemCaves.*html*
>>
>>
>>
>> *#**kml*
>>
>> export cave-list \
>>
>>   -surveys on   \ # on = show survey, cave & entrances hierarchy
>>
>>                   # off = show caves only, not entrances, no hierarchy
>>
>>   -location on \  # on|off = no difference
>>
>>    -output ./Output/RiwakaSystemCaves.*kml*
>>
>>
>>
>> Some examples using variations of the above.  In outputs below there are
>> four caves explicitly defined; H-Hawkes Cave, Hawkes Kairuru Middle Cave,
>> Kairuru Cave, Kairuru 3030.  And one cave that Therion has deduced as it is
>> implied by the survey structure; Ngarua cave, Takaka Hill.  (Unfortunately
>> I have not been disciplined with naming, so apologies that it is
>> confusing).
>>
>>
>>
>> “Kairuru 3030” is defined as a cave, and it has two entrances defined in
>> the centrelines (that are therefore part of Kairuru 3030 Cave, which has
>> three entrances in total).
>>
>> It is one of many caves in a Therion project that the outputs below are
>> taken from.
>>
>> Here the word ‘cave’ is used to mean the main entrance (ie ‘cave’ is an
>> entrance and a cave, whereas ‘entrance’ is just an entrance that is usually
>> a part of an already defined cave).
>>
>>
>>
>> *HTML Outputs*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Html surveys on location on* (the survey, cave and entrance hierarchy
>> is shown.  Caves have a length reported, entrances do not)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Html surveys on location off* (the survey and cave hierarchy is shown,
>> but *not entrances**.  Caves have a length reported, entrances do not)
>>
>> *  Could this be a bug? Maybe, maybe not.
>>
>> The last two records ARE entrances, but they have no survey legs
>> associated, they are gps fixes only.  Maybe that is why Therion treats them
>> differently and displays these but not others.
>>
>> Therion has used the survey hierarchy to infer it is a cave called
>> “Ngarua Cave, Takaka Hill” even though there is no cave entrance defined in
>> the survey definition.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Html surveys off location on *(No hierarchy, caves only, no entrances –
>> except fixed entrances, has coordinates columns)
>>
>> *Html surveys off location off *(No hierarchy, caves only, no entrances
>> – except fixed entrances, no coordinates)
>>
>>
>>
>> *KML Outputs*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Kml surveys on location on *(the survey, cave and entrance hierarchy is
>> shown.  Does not distinguish bottom level records as either cave or
>> entrance, could be either)
>>
>> *Kml surveys on location off* (same)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Kml surveys off location on, *
>>
>> *Kml surveys off location off* (both look the same, both contain
>> coordinates - kml would be boring without locations!)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps :)
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bruce Mutton [mailto:bruce at tomo.co.nz]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 January 2018 11:58 AM
>> *To:* List for Therion users <therion at speleo.sk>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes it does make a difference. Define a cave with the survey definition.
>> Define secondary entrances within centrelines.
>>
>> See the difference if you export caves to a html file. For best effect
>> you can do this for a multi cave project where each cave has multiple
>> entrances.  I will post example outputs later.
>>
>> I suspect the kml exports are not reporting the hierachy however.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung device, hence the typo's
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Владимир Георгиев via Therion <therion at speleo.sk>
>> Date: 28/01/18 10:16 (GMT+12:00)
>> To: List for Therion users <therion at speleo.sk>
>> Cc: Владимир Георгиев <vld.georgiev at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> Yes, that's right, you can define any number of entrances like this.
>> Although I admit I haven't used the "survey 01 -title “Some Cave name”
>> -entrance 1" syntax. So far I have always listed the entrances within
>> the surveys with several  "station XX "Some other entrance name" entrance"
>> lines.
>>
>>
>> Does it make a difference which syntax is used?
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion <
>> therion at speleo.sk> wrote:
>>
>> And I have no Russian, but making assumptions based on Vladimir’s
>> response…
>>
>> (and apologising for using English)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are more subtle nuances that can be conveyed.
>>
>> Have a look at https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki
>> /drawingchecklist?s[]=entrance#points and scroll down to ‘Passage Ends’
>> point entrance.
>>
>> You can tell Therion to define a cave, and further, specifically define
>> all the entrances that the ‘cave’ has.
>>
>>
>>
>> To expand on and change Vladimir’s example
>>
>>
>>
>> survey 01 -title “Some Cave name” -entrance 1
>>
>> #defining the entrance here as part of survey definition tells Therion
>> ‘it is a cave’
>>
>>   centerline
>>     cs lat-long
>>     fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234  # set the GPS coordinates and
>> elevation of station 0
>>     station 3 "Some other entrance name" entrance
>>
>>       # Mark station 3 as another entrance of ‘Some Cave name’ cave, and
>> display it’s name also
>>
>>     …
>>
>>   endcenterline
>>
>> endsurvey
>>
>> Have I got that right Vlad?
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *????????
>> ???????? via Therion
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 January 2018 7:18 AM
>> *To:* List for Therion users <therion at speleo.sk>
>> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев <vld.georgiev at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> My Russian is not that good, so I will reply in English.
>>
>> The kml model can export the entrances, if that is what you mean by
>> "объектов". To get the name of the cave to display, you have to mark one or
>> more stations as entrances. Something like this:
>>
>>   centerline
>>     cs lat-long
>>     fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234  # set the GPS coordinates and
>> elevation of station 0
>>     station 0 "Some cave name" entrance  # Mark station 0 as an entrance
>> and set the name to be displayed. Not necessarily the same station as the
>> one with the coords.
>>   ...
>>
>> Vladimir
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2018-01-26 11:08 GMT+02:00 Кунгурская лаборатория-стационар via Therion <
>> therion at speleo.sk>:
>>
>> Здравствуйте.  Подскажите, пожалуйста. Я пытаюсь экспортировать данные
>> в KML-файл. Вот строка
>>
>> export model -fmt kml -output Kungur_Z.kml
>>
>> При   просмотре   kml-файла   он   не  отображает названия объектов, а
>> отображаются только линии.
>>
>> Подскажите,  пожалуйста, как сделать так, чтобы названия объектов тоже
>> отображались?
>>
>>
>>
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