[Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)

[Rob Countess]

Yeah, I was just reading about versioning systems on Wikipedia. I have no
prior experience setting up such a thing. Git seems useful. Anything would
be a step up. Even snail mailing each other 5&1/4 floppies is a step up.
For now dropbox is what I know how to use but I will figure out Git
eventually.

Rob

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Bruce Mutton <bruce at tomo.co.nz> wrote:

> Rob
> For collaborative projects you would be much better to use a version
> control package such as bazaar, git or mercurial.
> Dropbox and similar cloud does not allow people to work on the same files
> simultaneously and maintain integrity of data or track changes.
> I am otherwise occupied so no time to explain further.
> Bruce
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> From: Rob Countess <rob.countess at gmail.com>
> Date: 09/09/2015 01:34 (GMT+05:45)
> To: List for Therion users <therion at speleo.sk>
> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)
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> I would love any and all tutorials. I am still a newbie. Any information I
> can glean about how to use Therion is helpful. I fully understand that it
> is a flexible and powerful program and that info in any tutorial is just
> one possible way to use Therion. I found installing it on my Mac OSX quite
> a complex process but it somehow magically produced a working program.
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> I am converting data over from other programs, Walls and On Station and
> this has been quite straight forward. I have about 60% of my data converted
> over but have yet to draw anything on Therion but that is the goal. The
> caves I am working on were mostly surveyed and drawn with pen and paper in
> the 1980's. Now they have doubled in length roughly but no comprehensive
> maps have been produced just snippets of new passage. I would like to use
> the dropbox approach to manage projects with multiple surveyors and
> cartographers and hopefully convert some other caver's to Therion. Right
> now On Station is the main program people use and maps are mostly hand
> drawn or sometimes Illustrator. There is about 10 km of new passage to draw
> and 20 km total with redrawing old stuff. More than a one man job so using
> dropbox with 3 or 4 of us mapping sounds wonderful. I also have a DistoX2
> coming and I am looking to convert to paperless surveying in the future. I
> think GoPro, Disto, tablet should make it possible. I am not completely
> useless with technology but I am not fluent in Geek.
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> Rob
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> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Nick Bairstow <Nick at pff.uk.com> wrote:
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>> Dave has been my personal tutor for the last 2/3 weeks and has got me
>> flying along with things. I can not thank him enough for the not
>> inconsiderable time and effort he has put in with me. He sorted my file
>> structure and checked and corrected lots of my data some of which is
>> available to view using the dropbox link. Be warned files have been flying
>> in and out of that dropbox so some of the stuffs a bit messy.
>> I have been giving some thought to producing a tutorial to follow on from
>> Footlegs wiki item. Unfortunately it's not a simple as I first thought.
>> Over the next few months I will attempt to come up with something that will
>> enable a novice therioneer understand the next steps following the Footleg
>> wiki article. It would be nice to continue using Bull Pot as the sample
>> cave but I have not got time to re-survey that so I propose we use an
>> existing data set which could become the default novice reference.
>> It seems many people give up with Therion as it is difficult to learn but
>> with a good tutorial and a little help many more could be using it.
>> What do people think, am I wasting my time, comments please.
>> Oh and if someone else is already doing something similar please shout
>> up. No point doing it twice.
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>>  Nick.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On Behalf Of
>> Dave Clucas [dave.clucas at icloud.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 7:55 AM
>> To: therion at speleo.sk
>> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)
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>> I helped Nick with his problen. To see how it's done have a look at the
>> sample data we worked on
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lmpe35x3mhy7kp8/AADED3GW7KpiAFVKR1q-zxEsa?dl=0
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>> Any queries contact me.
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>> Dave Clucas
>> daveclucas.com<http://daveclucas.com>
>> sarawak-caves.com<http://sarawak-caves.com>
>> dave.clucas at icloud.com<mailto:daveclucas at icloud.com>
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>> Exploring the World - One cave at a time
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>> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0400
>> From: Adam Sampson <caver.adam at outlook.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management
>> To: Therion List <therion at speleo.sk>
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>> Please do let us know what you figure out. Martin helped me figure out
>> how to have my surveys in a sub-folder of my main survey, but so far I'm
>> only doing one cave. Would like to hear how to add the other area caves to
>> the same output.
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>> Adam Sampson(502)
>> 509-5066caver.adam at outlook.comwww.kentuckykarstconservancy.com
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>> From: Nick at pff.uk.com
>> To: therion at speleo.sk
>> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:31:32 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management
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>> Thanks for the replies. What I clearly don?t
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>> Dave C has kindly offered to look at my
>> stuff and advise so hopefully I will sort this out soon.
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>> I suspect I am at a point that a lot of
>> folk get to in their Therion leaning curve so once I get my head round
>> this I
>> may write a wiki article about this from a novice point of view. It
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>> be a continuation of Footlegs excellent tutorial which I have referred to
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>> Andrew, files will be in the registry by
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>> therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On Behalf
>> Of Martin Sluka
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>> Sent: 19 August 2015 08:38
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>> To: List
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>> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data
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>> caves but
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>> config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in
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>> area wants to compare notes (I?m sure that there are more numptys like me
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