[Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)

Wed Sep 9 02:16:31 CEST 2015

RobFor collaborative projects you would be much better to use a version control package such as bazaar, git or mercurial. Dropbox and similar cloud does not allow people to work on the same files simultaneously and maintain integrity of data or track changes.I am otherwise occupied so no time to explain further.Bruce

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From: Rob Countess <rob.countess at gmail.com> 
Date: 09/09/2015  01:34  (GMT+05:45) 
To: List for Therion users <therion at speleo.sk> 
Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson) 

I would love any and all tutorials. I am still a newbie. Any information I can glean about how to use Therion is helpful. I fully understand that it is a flexible and powerful program and that info in any tutorial is just one possible way to use Therion. I found installing it on my Mac OSX quite a complex process but it somehow magically produced a working program. 
I am converting data over from other programs, Walls and On Station and this has been quite straight forward. I have about 60% of my data converted over but have yet to draw anything on Therion but that is the goal. The caves I am working on were mostly surveyed and drawn with pen and paper in the 1980's. Now they have doubled in length roughly but no comprehensive maps have been produced just snippets of new passage. I would like to use the dropbox approach to manage projects with multiple surveyors and cartographers and hopefully convert some other caver's to Therion. Right now On Station is the main program people use and maps are mostly hand drawn or sometimes Illustrator. There is about 10 km of new passage to draw and 20 km total with redrawing old stuff. More than a one man job so using dropbox with 3 or 4 of us mapping sounds wonderful. I also have a DistoX2 coming and I am looking to convert to paperless surveying in the future. I think GoPro, Disto, tablet should make it possible. I am not completely useless with technology but I am not fluent in Geek.
Rob
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Nick Bairstow <Nick at pff.uk.com> wrote:
Dave has been my personal tutor for the last 2/3 weeks and has got me flying along with things. I can not thank him enough for the not inconsiderable time and effort he has put in with me. He sorted my file structure and checked and corrected lots of my data some of which is available to view using the dropbox link. Be warned files have been flying in and out of that dropbox so some of the stuffs a bit messy.

I have been giving some thought to producing a tutorial to follow on from Footlegs wiki item. Unfortunately it's not a simple as I first thought. Over the next few months I will attempt to come up with something that will enable a novice therioneer understand the next steps following the Footleg wiki article. It would be nice to continue using Bull Pot as the sample cave but I have not got time to re-survey that so I propose we use an existing data set which could become the default novice reference.

It seems many people give up with Therion as it is difficult to learn but with a good tutorial and a little help many more could be using it.

What do people think, am I wasting my time, comments please.

Oh and if someone else is already doing something similar please shout up. No point doing it twice.

 Nick.

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Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 7:55 AM

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Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)

I helped Nick with his problen. To see how it's done have a look at the sample data we worked on https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lmpe35x3mhy7kp8/AADED3GW7KpiAFVKR1q-zxEsa?dl=0

Any queries contact me.

Dave Clucas

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Please do let us know what you figure out. Martin helped me figure out how to have my surveys in a sub-folder of my main survey, but so far I'm only doing one cave. Would like to hear how to add the other area caves to the same output.

Adam Sampson(502)509-5066caver.adam at outlook.comwww.kentuckykarstconservancy.com

From: Nick at pff.uk.com

To: therion at speleo.sk

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:31:32 +0100

Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management

Andrew, Martin, Rowena,

Thanks for the replies. What I clearly don?t

understand are the basic building blocks of Therion, folder structures etc

Dave C has kindly offered to look at my

stuff and advise so hopefully I will sort this out soon.

I suspect I am at a point that a lot of

folk get to in their Therion leaning curve so once I get my head round this I

may write a wiki article about this from a novice point of view. It really should

be a continuation of Footlegs excellent tutorial which I have referred to many

times over the last few months.

Andrew, files will be in the registry by

the end of the day I promises.

Thanks once again all

Nick.

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therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka

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Subject: Re: [Therion] Data

Management

Nick,

thbook:

? -d ?

Turn on debugging mode. The current implementation creates a temporary

directory

named thTMPDIR (in

your system temporary directory) and does not delete any

temporary files.

may you run  therion with -d parameter and check the files inside

the folder  thTMPDIR?

May you send me both the log from therion and that folder thTMPDIR

zipped?

m.

19. 8. 2015 v 5:20, rowena_l at tpg.com.au:

hello,

I have successfully created an area  PDF for the

70+ caves in my area of interest in Australia, using Therion.

Can you give more details of what your result is giving?

eg is an error being displayed, can you produce a .3d file or .lox file of the

survey legs, are you able to see  a pdf created that is missing data?

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Hi all,

After lots

of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but

now I have hit a wall. I believe I?m not getting the data management correct.

Here?s what

I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders

for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and

config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in

these files.

So far so

good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf?s to kml?s. Now I want to

produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as

I may I?m just not succeeding.

I have read

all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing

list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to

look at other people?s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and

I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing

something some where.

I keep seeing

snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on

how to use them.

I realise

this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I

can work it out but life?s too short to dick about for hours especially when

someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of

these maps and I?m now getting a bit worried I will not make it.

Any help

would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire

area wants to compare notes (I?m sure that there are more numptys like me out

there) I will travel and bring beer.

Nick.

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