[Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)

Tue Sep 8 21:49:49 CEST 2015

I would love any and all tutorials. I am still a newbie. Any information I
can glean about how to use Therion is helpful. I fully understand that it
is a flexible and powerful program and that info in any tutorial is just
one possible way to use Therion. I found installing it on my Mac OSX quite
a complex process but it somehow magically produced a working program.

I am converting data over from other programs, Walls and On Station and
this has been quite straight forward. I have about 60% of my data converted
over but have yet to draw anything on Therion but that is the goal. The
caves I am working on were mostly surveyed and drawn with pen and paper in
the 1980's. Now they have doubled in length roughly but no comprehensive
maps have been produced just snippets of new passage. I would like to use
the dropbox approach to manage projects with multiple surveyors and
cartographers and hopefully convert some other caver's to Therion. Right
now On Station is the main program people use and maps are mostly hand
drawn or sometimes Illustrator. There is about 10 km of new passage to draw
and 20 km total with redrawing old stuff. More than a one man job so using
dropbox with 3 or 4 of us mapping sounds wonderful. I also have a DistoX2
coming and I am looking to convert to paperless surveying in the future. I
think GoPro, Disto, tablet should make it possible. I am not completely
useless with technology but I am not fluent in Geek.

Rob

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Nick Bairstow <Nick at pff.uk.com> wrote:

> Dave has been my personal tutor for the last 2/3 weeks and has got me
> flying along with things. I can not thank him enough for the not
> inconsiderable time and effort he has put in with me. He sorted my file
> structure and checked and corrected lots of my data some of which is
> available to view using the dropbox link. Be warned files have been flying
> in and out of that dropbox so some of the stuffs a bit messy.
> I have been giving some thought to producing a tutorial to follow on from
> Footlegs wiki item. Unfortunately it's not a simple as I first thought.
> Over the next few months I will attempt to come up with something that will
> enable a novice therioneer understand the next steps following the Footleg
> wiki article. It would be nice to continue using Bull Pot as the sample
> cave but I have not got time to re-survey that so I propose we use an
> existing data set which could become the default novice reference.
> It seems many people give up with Therion as it is difficult to learn but
> with a good tutorial and a little help many more could be using it.
> What do people think, am I wasting my time, comments please.
> Oh and if someone else is already doing something similar please shout up.
> No point doing it twice.
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>  Nick.
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> From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On Behalf Of
> Dave Clucas [dave.clucas at icloud.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 7:55 AM
> To: therion at speleo.sk
> Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)
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> I helped Nick with his problen. To see how it's done have a look at the
> sample data we worked on
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lmpe35x3mhy7kp8/AADED3GW7KpiAFVKR1q-zxEsa?dl=0
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> Any queries contact me.
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> From: Adam Sampson <caver.adam at outlook.com>
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> Please do let us know what you figure out. Martin helped me figure out how
> to have my surveys in a sub-folder of my main survey, but so far I'm only
> doing one cave. Would like to hear how to add the other area caves to the
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> Adam Sampson(502)
> 509-5066caver.adam at outlook.comwww.kentuckykarstconservancy.com
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> From: Nick at pff.uk.com
> To: therion at speleo.sk
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:31:32 +0100
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