. produced errors saying that objects did not exist. If I open the BigCavernRanch files in xtherion and then look at the boxes for survey structure and map structure, they are completely empty. Hi Bill I added your files to the bits of your project that I have, but there is too much of the data behind your new survey missing for the new files to compile, and I am out of time tonight. Not to worry, there is enough information there to solve the puzzle I think. The boxes in XTherion are empty because the project did not compile. It is unfortunate that Therion cannot give you that easy method of obtaining the correctly enumerated name until you have already cracked the code and correctly deduced one or more of them! Your problem is most likely that you have not chanced upon the correct namespace to add to the maps in your select statement. I'll have a look tomorrow if I get a chance. Bruce