Thanks Ben I've been looking for structured examples of how to layout larger systems (and get the basics done) I'll study the file supplied with interest. I probably should have checked the LRUD conventions before entering 700 shots!) Bruce -----Original Message----- From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Cooper, Ben Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 12:17 p.m. To: therion@speleo.sk Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) Hi Bruce, Yup - I remember struggling with the same problem, trying to understand some of the basic description in The Book! (One typical example: it doesn't actually explain what an Extended Elevation is and its very difficult to reverse engineer this from the explanations of how to control extended elevations.) I'm not sure I understand exactly where you are getting stuck, so apologies if this is teaching you to suck eggs. I create Maps in my top-level UpperFlood.th file (the Source file), attached. You will see I have organised this into sections. You will see that I group the .th2 files against the associated .th survey file. So far, I have not added much detail within the cave, so my "join" commands are very simple. Therion's default interpretation for joining scraps is excellent and it usually get's it right without the need for complex join statements. I haven't yet worked out how to label particular points in a line for joining purposes! The Maps section defines the maps that reference the scraps from the various .th2 files. I've struggled to understand exactly what Preview Above / Below do; what Break does; when Surveys, Maps and Scraps can or can't be included in a map. So what you see here may not be "best practice" but it works for me! The Map is then Selected in the thconfig file. Each select statement can have one map, but there can be multiple select statements. Because Therion is complex, there are often two ways of achieving the same goal. You can create a higher-level Map that includes other Maps, so that you only need one Select command in thconfig, OR, you can achieve the same by Selecting all of the constituent maps in thconfig. I've also struggled in the thconfig file with the Select command. Unselect doesn't work for me, so I now have a number of different thconfig files for different outputs, each of which selects particular maps from UpperFlood.th. Regards, - Ben -----Original Message----- From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton Sent: 13 November 2007 18:38 To: therion@speleo.sk Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) Ben Cooper wrote... "...I then create passage-name.th2, insert th XVI, insert station points over the centreline, and draw the walls over the LRUD with reference to any sketches we have produced. It's that simple." Thanks Ben Appreciate the explanation. The way I have been working is pretty much the same as what you describe, and apart from some confusion over the difference between 'input' and 'source' commands, and LRUD data, it's been fairly straight forward and successful. Ladislav's reminder is helpful. On reading the Therion Book I am not clear on which station the LRUP data is supposed to apply to if only one set of the number pair is provided? Anyway Ben. Your explanation stops short of the point where my difficulty begins. So once the scraps are produced, I'd like them to turn up in the output files, pdfs, for example, so that our centreline plots become cartographed maps as we progress through the drawing process. I am sure there is a simple misunderstanding I have that is tripping me up. There seems to be quite a good explanation at http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=tbe:wiki3 but Therion keeps coming up with errors. Maybe I should try replicating exactly the example from the Wiki, or spend some more time with the 'rabbit cave' example that comes with Therion... Bruce _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net