feedback on 0.2.18

27 Feb 2004

      Here's another batch of Therion feedback from my continuing efforts.

I debianized and compiled 0.2.200400224 (is there any reason for not just
calling this 0.2.19?  - this is the 3rd decimal version number so it might
as well go up with each new version you put out)

My mulu dataset which worked OK with 0.2.18 gives:
therion: warning -- thconfig [7] -- no selected projection data -- plan
The jsv test dataset works OK.
Downgrading to 0.2.18 also still works, so something is amiss.

Copy of thconfig, soundriver.th and soundriver.th2 attached.

version 0.2.18

thbook says -clip <bool> but it's -clip <on/off> like most other options -
confusing - I tried 0, false before getting it right. Make the docs
consistent.

search for 'area' finds them in the File Commands box but there is no clue
where it is on screen. Highlighting the associated paths would be really
good.

Finding lines instead of points is tricky - you can click on point, but not
line. Especially with big rocks that have a lot of lines, it's hard to know
that you have the right line. Highlighting the point at the other end of the
line too or something would be good if not the line itself.

In the File Commands box there is an underlined entry you can move with the
cursor keys and a highlighted entry (the thing currently highlighted on
screen) which you can only move with the mouse.

WHy do both these things exist? It'd be more useful to be able to move the
highlighed entry with the cursor keys, so that you can step through items
and _see_ what they refer to.

What is the intended use of Rock-edge and rock border?

Can you explain what base-scale actually does and how scale interacts - I
don't feel I understand properly from reading the thbook. You may have
answered this from looking at the article...

I still can't get join [id:pt]@survey style to work: I get 'invalid object'
  join [fsceil1:0]@river [farsidewest3:8]@river. commented out in attached
.th file.

In the legend 'Topo' is not english - need to be able to change that text.
We have 'surveyed', 'explored' and 'drawn' normally.

Also 'pit' is 'pitch' in UK english - only American's call them pits. Indeed
UK and US caving english are quite different, if Therion takes account of
translations - that's why survex has en-gb and en-us translations.

How do I deal with this situation: a wall round a corner and a pitch edge
goes across the corner; I want to area fill up to the pitch edge? In the attached
files this is sbr3(pitch edge), farsidewest2(wall) etc.
The problem is that when describing the paths comprising the area you want
to go wall, pitch, wall, but the wall has only one ID, so I put
area sand
  sbr1
  farsidewest3
  sbr2
  farsidewest2
  sbr3
  farsidewest2
endarea
in the area coomand, but the sbr3 is ignored and the fill goes right up to
the wall.
do I have to split the wall into two paths or can the area command be made
smart enough to do what is intended here?

Is there an easy way of splitting lines without re-drawing? Needed for
various situations, the above being just one example. At the moment I am
deleting and re-drawing things when I want to split them, which is a pain.

encoding  utf-8
select evening.soundriver

source soundriver.th

 export model -fmt survex
 export map -proj plan -layout-base-scale 1 500 -o soundriverpln.pdf
# or to use full layout below
# export map -proj plan -layout elevator -o soundriverpln.pdf

# export atlas -proj plan -o soundriveratlas.pdf

layout elevator
  base-scale 1 500
  doc-author "Wookey"
endlayout

encoding  utf-8
survey soundriver

  map elevator -title "Terikan: Elevator Entrance"
    farside@river
    farside2@river
  endmap

  #connections

#  join farside@river farside2@river
  join farsidewest1@river farsidewest2@river
#  join [fsceil1:0]@river [farsidewest3:8]@river

  centerline
    equate 17@evening 53@river
    equate 24@evening 1@river

    #*equate 4@river2 6@evening  ; was it stn 6 cairn? closure suggests not

    equate 1@rifticious 2@evening
    equate 5@rifticious 12@evening

    equate 1@pooh 50@river

    equate 22@rifticious 1@rifticious2

    equate 10@penthouse 27@river

  endcenterline

  survey evening -title "Top of the Evening"

    centerline

        #export 25 2 12 17 24
        date 2003.02.02
        team "Wookey" notes
        team "Andy Eavis" clino compass tape
        #CUCC set #2, Fisco ranger tape?

        #surveying in, looking in

        2  1  18.15  191  -03
        3  2  30.00  140  -01
        4  3  17.25  179  -01
        5  4  21.25  215  +01
        6  5  28.1  271  +01
        7  6  30.0  305  +10
        8  7  30  286  -03
        9  8  30.00  290  -12
        10  9  16.2  298  -07
        9  11  1.4  -  down
        12  10  30  321  +01
        13  12  23.95  214  -17
        14  13  17.8  194  -25
        15  14  28.0  216  -10
16  15  22.0  195  +11
16  17  15.4  140  +36
18  17  23.0  203  +25
19  18  21.9  230  +27
20  19  30  241  +04
21  20  27.35  251  -08
22  21  13.0  213  +12
23  22  13.5  242  +02
24  23  30  204  -02
1  25  9.0  230  +08

#2  4  6  ~20  2  ; cairn (Andy's Head)
#1  2(12)  5  10(17)  0.6  ; Nester's cairn (actual)
#3  1  4  10  1.7  ; AH/WH
#4  1  6  10+  1.7  ; Head - rock on floor
#5  7  4/20+  -  1.7  ; AH - arrow on floor
#6  1(~9)  12  36  1.7  ;Kneeling over cairn (up with disto)
#7  ~20  3  ~25  1.7  ; AH, cairn
#8  15  10  25  2  ; AH
#25  3(15)  7  8(18)  2  ; WH over cairn - last station on previous survey (escalator.pt3)(looking in)
#9  9  12  8  2  ; WH above cairn, note
#10  1  10  ~10  3  ; AH on rock
#11  as 9      0.3  ; cairn, note
#12  14  14  -  -  ; AH, cairn, note
#13  ~20  ~20  ~8  -  ;
#14  10  9  7  1.5
#15  ~20  ~20  ~20  2  ;AH
#16  -  -  -  -
#17  lots  10  ~30  3.5  ; big cairn, top of passage '17' in pencil
#18  10  15  ~30  2  ; AH
#19  9  ~23  8  2  ;AH
#20  12  8  13  2  ;AH, cairn, note
#21  ~16  2  5  4  ; AH on stal bridge
#22  12  3  6  1.7  ; AH
#23  15?  4  3  2  ;AH
#24  4  15  8  2.5  ;AH

    endcenterline

  endsurvey evening

  survey river

    input soundriver.th2
    centerline

      #export 1 27 40 43 50 53
      title "River of Sound"
      date 2003.02.03
      team Wookey notes
      team "Robbie Shone" clino compass
      team "James Alker" tape

      #CUCC insts set #2

1  2  30.00  047  00
2  3  28.25  318  -13
2  4  21.60  020  -13
2  5  19.0  112  +04
5  6  25.6  038  -03
4  7  1.1  335  00
7  8  5.4  -  down
8  9  30.0  082  -01
9  10  15.2  093  +02
10  11  28.7  085  -01
11  12  30.0  021  +01
12  13  22.8  050  +06
13  14  15.9  064  -12
14  15  18.7  139  +04
15  16  30.0  135  +08
16  17  30.0  037  +02
17  18  15.6  103  +16
18  19  24.0  170  -22 # clino surveyed on later trip!
19  20  30.0  071  +01
20  21  28.6  038  +09
21  22  17.1  351  +17
22  23  7.2  -  down
23  24  28.0  314  -05
24  25  30.0  019  +03
25  26  30.0  037  -01
26  27  30.0  062  00
27  28  30.0  039  +01
28  29  30.0  029  -01
29  30  30.0  042  +04
30  31  30.0  023  -03
31  32  14.3  028  +08
32  33  9.1  320  -18
33  34  30.0  268  -18
34  35  16.5  258  00
35  36  15.0  242  -12
36  37  11.0  267  -02
37  38  11.3  320  +22
38  39  6.4  336  +04
33  41  25.5  033  -02
41  42  28.3  081.5  -15
32  43a  20.2  055  +01
31  44  28.0  092  +10
39  40  23.1  345  +03
42  43  11.3  110  +02
3  45  30.0  303  -06
45  46  30.0  231  -02
46  47  30.0  214  00
47  48  30.0  219  00
48  49  18.0  228  -01
49  50  30.0  255  -03
50  51  30.0  172  +17  # was -17 in notes - can't be right
51  52  27.3  165  +29
52  53  19.2  158  +28

#1  -  -  -  -  Stn 24 of last survey. Head on cairn
#2  5  ~8  ~6  1.8  ; head
#3  8  ~20  6  2  ; stal (S corner)
#4  10  ?  3  2  ; head by stal column
#5  ?  15  3  1.7  ; head
#6  -  -  ~8  0.8  ; tip of stal at prow
#7  -  -  -  -  ; Over drop
#8  8  1  ~8  1.7  ; top of drop
#9  3.5  7(~40)  ~20  2  ; head
#10  5  6  15+  2  ; edge of 4m drop, head
#11  10  (2)8  20  2  ; head
#12  ~10  2  -  -  ; head
#13  10  5(12)  20+  1.5  ; head
#14  6(12)  6(12)  ~15  2  ; head
#15  -  -  -  -  ; head
#16  40  9  20  8  ; head
#20  8(25+)  0  6(15+)  1.8  ; head
#21  -  8  -  -
#19  -  0  -  1.8
#24  2  5  5(7)  1.8
#23  1  6  ~12  1.5
#25  6  3  30+  1.7
#26  3  7(30+)  9(+)  1.7
#27  2  10  9  2
#28  1(7)  5  7  4
#29  9  1(6)  15  4
#30  ~15  2  ~30  2(10?)  ; head
#31  4  10  6  2  ; head
#32  -  4  -  2  ; head
#33  -  -  0.4  ~10  ; tip of boulder '33'
#34  5  8  -  1  ; sitting head
#35  5  2  3  1(5)  ; sitting head
#36  6  1  1  1  ; sitting head
#37  2  8  1(5)  0.5  ; sitting head '37' written in mud
#38  5  1  7  3  ; head
#39  5  3  6  1  ; sitting head, note
#40  7  1  2  1  ; sitting head, note
#43  ?  6  2.5  2  ; sitting head, note
#41  10  ?  -  -  ; sitting head
#42  2  3  1  1.5  ; 0.4 above cairn
#43  6  5.5  2  1  ; point of rock
#44  8  8  2  1  ; cairn on boulders (actual)
#45  20  0  10  4  ; head
#46  5  5  9  1.8  ; head
#47  4  4  10  1.8  ; head
#48  5  8  10  1.8  ; head
#49  1(8)  4(10)  10  1.8  ; head
#50  6  5  8  2  ; head
#51  8  8  lots  2  ; head
#52  15  15  -  -  ; head
#53          ; cairn '17' on top

    endcenterline
  endsurvey river

  survey rifticious
    centerline
      #export 1 5 22

      date 2003.02.03
      team "Wookey" notes
      team "Robbie Shone" clino compass
      team "Colin Boothroyd" tape

      #CUCC set #2, Fisco ranger tape?

      #surveying in, looking in

# RH side of passage
1  2  18.7  021  +01
2  3  24.0  022  +01
3  4  16.8  350  00

#1  3  4  ~12  2.5  ; =stn 2, wook & Andy stn 3, 2003-02-02
#2  3.5  6  +10  2
#3  6  2(+4)  ~25  3
#4          ; stn 6 of above survey

# SW trending lead from lower corner of Top of the Evening
5  6  30.0  217  -11
6  7  30  190.5  00
7  8  10.5  194.5  +12
8  9  15.9  217  -24
9  10  8.0  182  +07
10  11  7.7  170  +18
11  12  5.5  126  +12
12  13  14.8  224  -06
13  14  18.0  191  -01
14  15  13.7  195  00
15  16  2.000  119  -19
16  17  10.6  210.5  +08
17  18  22.20  205.5  00
18  19  13.70  201  00
19  20  15.00  221  -28
20  21  9.10  268  -46
21  22  6.50  293  -53
19  23  13.2  100  +55
23  24  7.20  184  +31
24  25  7.70  062  +55
25  26  8  060  +26 # grade3

      #LRUD to come
    endcenterline
  endsurvey rifticious

  survey pooh
    centerline
      #export 1
      date 2003.02.03
      team "Wookey" tape #and dog
      team "Robbie Shone" clino compass
      team "Colin Boothroyd" notes pictures

      # same day as rifticious survey

      #CUCC set #2, Fisco ranger tape?

      data normal station left right up down newline tape compass clino
1  -  -  -  -  # stn 50 of 2003-02-03 survey
  17.4  241  -05
2  2.5  6  0+8  1
  19.08  253.5  -18    # could be 233.5?
3  5  3  4  1.2
  7.18  238  -15
4  0  5  3.5  1.5
  17.94  000  +20
5  4  3  8  2
  8.72  251  -28
6  0.5  2  3  1
  21.26  353  +09
7  1  2.5  4  1.6
  11.50  033  +07
8  2  4  8  1
  10.13  080  +01
9  3.5  2  1  2.5
  14.49  021.5  -06
10  3.5  1.5  1.8  1.5 # cairn

    endcenterline
  endsurvey pooh

  survey rifticious2

    centerline

      #export 1 3

      #pitch connection between rifticious and menagerie - done on following day
      date 2003.02.06
      team "James Alker" dog
      team "Robbie shone" notes insts tape

      1  2  10.6  292  -44  # 0.6 length in notes - lost '1'?
      2  3  15.4  -  down   # measured rope length

    endcenterline
  endsurvey rifticious2

  survey penthouse

    centerline
      #export 10

      date 2003.02.06
      team "James Alker" notes tape
      team "Robbie shone" clino compass
      #Entrance on shelf before narrowing on way to farside

      data normal station left right up down newline tape compass clino

      #CUCC insts 2

2  8  8  6  2
  30  046  +9
1  6  4  4  2
 0 0 0   # faked data to make therion happy
2  -  -  -  -
  30  223  -2
3  8  7  6  2
  30  220  0
4  4  20  5  2
  28.6  239  -1
5  5  0  3  0.5
  9.8  278  -12
6  4  2  5  0.5
  20.2  204  +1
7  2  40  5  2
  23.0  300  -7
8  20  20  10  2
  18.6  0  -25
9  2  40  15  1  # on a stal
  5.3  54  -12
10  2  10  15  2  # entrance

#   entrance 1
#   entrance 10

    endcenterline
  endsurvey penthouse
endsurvey

encoding  utf-8
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##XTHERION## xth_me_area_zoom_to 200
##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {0 1 1.0} 1200 soundriver1pln.pnm 0 {}

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point 451.0 125.0 station -name 37

point 360.0 136.0 station -name 38

point 317.0 153.0 station -name 39

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point 131.0 161.0 debris

point 139.0 141.0 debris

point 181.0 160.0 debris

point 169.0 181.0 debris

point 159.0 159.0 debris

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point 646.0 505.0 air-draught -orientation 205.7

point 661.0 353.0 air-draught -orientation 210.6

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point 332.0 -61.0 continuation

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point 179.0 107.0 continuation

point 68.0 279.0 continuation

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  417.0 125.0 421.0 130.0 423.0 120.0
  smooth off
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  smooth off
endline

line wall
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  smooth off
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  smooth off
  450.0 92.0 453.0 85.0 459.0 72.0
  smooth off
endline

line border -id sbr1 -subtype invisible
  652.0 386.0
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point 595.0 302.0 debris

point 674.0 504.0 debris

line wall -id farsidewest3
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  smooth off
  746.0 452.0 742.63 391.23 849.0 427.0
  smooth off
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#Rocks inside wall1, wall2, rb1, rb2

area debris
  wall1
  rb1
  wall2
  rb2
endarea

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  175.0 199.0
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endline

line rock-border -id rb1
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endline

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  smooth off
endline

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  558.0 285.0
  563.0 266.0
endline

area sand
  sbr1
  farsidewest3
  sbr2
  farsidewest2
  sbr3
  farsidewest2
endarea

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  smooth off
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  smooth off
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line wall
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line arrow
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line pit
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