[Therion] Fwd: Fedora 42 xtherion will not start
Stacho Mudrak
lists at group-s.sk
Tue Apr 22 22:40:33 CEST 2025
On my system (Ubuntu 25.04) the same BWidget package works for both wish8.6
and wish9.0 without any customization. Package installed in
/usr/share/tcltk/bwidget1.9.13 folder. So probably compatibility should
not be an issue.
But in case of multiple interpreters, there should be a way for the user to
specify which one to call. I wonder, whether there is some standard way how
to do this. We will need to investigate.
S.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 at 21:51, Bill Gee <bgee at campercaver.net> wrote:
> I wondered if that would work. I assumed BWidget is registered in a
> config file somewhere, so I never tried it.
>
> According to what I have read, there are some significant compatibility
> issues between Tcl 8.6 and 9.0.
>
> It is a sure bet that this problem will come up again. Is there any way
> to modify the make process so that it figures out which is the right
> executable for wish, then writes xtherion as appropriate?
>
> ===============
> Bill Gee
>
> On 4/22/25 13:36, Stacho Mudrak wrote:
> > Thanks for the update. Also copying bwidget1.9.7 from tcl8.6 folder to
> > tcl9.0 should help too.
> >
> > S.
> >
> > On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 at 19:38, Bill Gee <bgee at campercaver.net
> > <mailto:bgee at campercaver.net>> wrote:
> >
> > And another update! I found a way to work around the problem. I
> > changed the first line in /usr/local/bin/xtherion to read:
> >
> > #!/usr/bin/env wish8
> >
> > That works. xTherion now launches without error.
> >
> > ===============
> > Bill Gee
> >
> > On 4/22/25 12:24, Bill Gee wrote:
> > > Yet another update: There is a note at Fedora Project regarding
> the
> > > upgrade to Tcl version 9. It mentions bwidget. I do not see
> > anything
> > > here about how to make something run in Tcl 8.
> > >
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/TclTk9.0 <https://
> > fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/TclTk9.0>
> > >
> > > I tried modifying the xtherion program so the first line is
> > >
> > > #!/usr/bin/env tclsh8
> > >
> > > Did not work, though it gives a different error message.
> > >
> > > ===============
> > > Bill Gee
> > >
> > > On 4/22/25 06:55, Bill Gee wrote:
> > >> Resending to the group, since this might be of general interest.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > >> Subject: Re: [Therion] Fedora 42 xtherion will not start
> > >> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 14:36:16 -0500
> > >> From: Bill Gee <bgee at campercaver.net <mailto:
> bgee at campercaver.net>>
> > >> To: Stacho Mudrak <lists at group-s.sk <mailto:lists at group-s.sk>>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Stacho -
> > >>
> > >> No luck. I included below a directory listing of the bwidget
> > package
> > >> directory, if that helps. There are multiple tcl directories on
> > the
> > >> system. tcl8.6 is the directory used by the Fedora 42 package.
> > It is
> > >> the only one of the tcl directories that has anything regarding
> > bwidget.
> > >>
> > >> Unfortunately, I no longer have a Fedora 41 system to compare.
> > I do
> > >> have a system running X instead of Wayland. That system also has
> > >> Therion 6.3.3. It shows the same results, which is what I
> expected.
> > >>
> > >> =====================
> > >> bgee at main2:~$ wish
> > >> % package require BWidget
> > >> can't find package BWidget
> > >> % package require bwidget
> > >> can't find package bwidget
> > >> %
> > >>
> > >> bgee at main2:~$ ll -d /usr/share/tcl*
> > >> drwxr-xr-x. 5 root root 4096 Feb 1 18:00 /usr/share/tcl8
> > >> drwxr-xr-x. 7 root root 4096 Apr 19 14:57 /usr/share/tcl8.6
> > >> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 19 14:58 /usr/share/tcl9
> > >> drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Apr 19 14:58 /usr/share/tcl9.0
> > >>
> > >> bgee at main2:~$ dir /usr/share/tcl8.6/bwidget1.9.7/
> > >> arrow.tcl dialog.tcl images listbox.tcl
> > >> panelframe.tcl scrollview.tcl tree.tcl
> > >> bitmap.tcl dragsite.tcl init.tcl mainframe.tcl
> > >> passwddlg.tcl scrollw.tcl utils.tcl
> > >> buttonbox.tcl dropsite.tcl labelentry.tcl messagedlg.tcl
> > >> pkgIndex.tcl separator.tcl widget.tcl
> > >> button.tcl dynhelp.tcl labelframe.tcl notebook.tcl
> > >> progressbar.tcl spinbox.tcl wizard.tcl
> > >> color.tcl entry.tcl label.tcl pagesmgr.tcl
> > >> progressdlg.tcl statusbar.tcl xpm2image.tcl
> > >> combobox.tcl font.tcl lang panedw.tcl
> > >> scrollframe.tcl titleframe.tcl
> > >>
> > >> =====================
> > >>
> > >> Update! I did a bit more poking around and discovered I have two
> > >> different versions of tcl installed. They are 8.6 and 9.0.
> > >>
> > >> bgee at main2:~$ ll /usr/bin/tclsh*
> > >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Feb 1 18:00 /usr/bin/tclsh ->
> tclsh9.0
> > >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Feb 1 18:00 /usr/bin/tclsh8 ->
> > tclsh8.6
> > >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11728 Feb 1 18:00 /usr/bin/tclsh8.6
> > >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11720 Feb 1 18:00 /usr/bin/tclsh9.0
> > >>
> > >> If I start tclsh8 and then do "package require BWidget" it
> responds
> > >> with a proper version number. Running tclsh9 fails.
> > >>
> > >> ===============
> > >> Bill Gee
> > >>
> > >> On 4/21/25 13:50, Stacho Mudrak wrote:
> > >>> If you just run wish and try to import the bwidget package,
> > does it
> > >>> work?
> > >>>
> > >>> On my system:
> > >>>
> > >>> user at localhost:~$ wish
> > >>> % package require BWidget
> > >>> 1.9.14
> > >>>
> > >>> S.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 at 19:25, Bill Gee <bgee at campercaver.net
> > <mailto:bgee at campercaver.net>
> > >>> <mailto:bgee at campercaver.net <mailto:bgee at campercaver.net>>>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I upgraded to Fedora 42 over the weekend. Trying to start
> > xtherion
> > >>> gives a message about BWidget missing. However, it is
> > installed.
> > >>>
> > >>> =====================
> > >>> bgee at main2:/public/document/CaveSurveys/CaveSpringCave$
> > therion --
> > >>> version
> > >>> therion 6.3.4+dev (compiled on 2025-04-09)
> > >>> - using Proj 9.6.0, compiled against 9.4.1
> > >>>
> > >>> bgee at main2:/public/document/CaveSurveys/CaveSpringCave$
> > xtherion
> > >>> Error in startup script: can't find package BWidget
> > >>> while executing
> > >>> "package require BWidget"
> > >>> (file "/usr/local/bin/xtherion" line 12925)
> > >>>
> > >>> bgee at main2:/public/document/CaveSurveys/CaveSpringCave$ su
> -
> > >>> Password:
> > >>>
> > >>> root at main2:~# dnf search bwidget
> > >>> Updating and loading repositories:
> > >>> Repositories loaded.
> > >>> Matched fields: name (exact)
> > >>> bwidget.noarch: Extended widget set for Tk
> > >>> Matched fields: name, summary
> > >>> kf5-kjobwidgets-devel.i686: Development files for kf5-
> > kjobwidgets
> > >>> kf5-kjobwidgets-devel.x86_64: Development files for kf5-
> > >>> kjobwidgets
> > >>> kf6-kjobwidgets-devel.i686: Development files for kf6-
> > kjobwidgets
> > >>> kf6-kjobwidgets-devel.x86_64: Development files for kf6-
> > >>> kjobwidgets
> > >>> kf6-kjobwidgets-doc.noarch: Developer Documentation
> > files for
> > >>> kf6-kjobwidgets
> > >>> Matched fields: name
> > >>> kf5-kjobwidgets.i686: KDE Frameworks 5 Tier 2 addon for
> > KJobs
> > >>> kf5-kjobwidgets.x86_64: KDE Frameworks 5 Tier 2 addon
> > for KJobs
> > >>> kf6-kjobwidgets.i686: KDE Frameworks 6 Tier 2 addon for
> > KJobs
> > >>> kf6-kjobwidgets.x86_64: KDE Frameworks 6 Tier 2 addon
> > for KJobs
> > >>>
> > >>> root at main2:~# dnf install bwidget
> > >>> Updating and loading repositories:
> > >>> Repositories loaded.
> > >>> Package "bwidget-1.9.7-24.fc42.noarch" is already installed.
> > >>>
> > >>> Nothing to do.
> > >>> root at main2:~#
> > >>> ========================
> > >>>
> > >>> I compiled Therion while still on Fedora 41. Should I
> > recompile?
> > >>>
> > >>> -- ===============
> > >>> Bill Gee
> > >>>
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