[Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches..

[Duncan Collis]

Hi, Martin.

Thanks for the clarification.

Best regards,

Duncan.

On 15/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion at speleo.sk> wrote:
> It is. I hope in the future it will be possible.
>
> Martin Sluka
>
> Odesláno z iPhonu
>
> 15. 2. 2019 v 2:19, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion at speleo.sk>:
>
>> Hi, Martin.
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification. That leads me to a final question: is it
>> possible to select a particular survey and also get morphed sketches
>> in the output XVI file? I've tried to do this without success, but
>> maybe there's something I am missing?
>>
>> I've tried:
>>
>> select survey_1 at system
>> select survey_2 at system
>>
>> and get an XVI file with centreline for survey_1 and survey_2 and no
>> sketches.
>>
>> If I try:
>>
>> select map_A at system
>> select survey_1 at system
>> select survey_2 at system
>>
>> I still only get the centreline. Is this expected behaviour?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Duncan.
>>
>>> On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion at speleo.sk> wrote:
>>> Xvi is generated from centerlines in surveys. It has nothing together
>>> (till
>>> now) with scraps.
>>>
>>> So there is the problem. If you select only particular survey(s) it shoul
>>> generate only xvi fot that survey(s).
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Odesláno z iPhonu
>>>
>>> 14. 2. 2019 v 12:39, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion at speleo.sk>:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Martin.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the quick response, but I'm afraid I'm not sure I
>>>> completely follow your meaning.
>>>>
>>>> The map I'm trying to export *is* based on scraps. The problem is that
>>>> I'm ending up with the centreline of the whole system in the XVI file
>>>> rather than being limited to the scraps.
>>>>
>>>> If that is the expected behaviour then it's useful to know, as I can
>>>> stop wasting time trying to get it to do something else, and can start
>>>> thinking more about how to work around it - I already have an idea to
>>>> write a script to strip parts of the centreline that I don't want out
>>>> of the XVI file.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Duncan.
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion at speleo.sk> wrote:
>>>>> To ability to export xvi as part of PDF output is long time on to-do
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> The export of morphed sketches is part of exporting maps based on
>>>>> scraps
>>>>> or
>>>>> partial maps based on scraps, not exporting centerlines as defined in
>>>>> maps
>>>>> based on surveys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>> 14. 2. 2019 v 7:56, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion at speleo.sk>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Bruce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. The wiki pages you linked were one of the most
>>>>>> helpful resources when I was trying to get this to work, along with
>>>>>> Marco Corvi's "Therion by Examples".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried selecting surveys, but when I do that I get an XVI file
>>>>>> containing the centreline of the selected surveys, but no background
>>>>>> sketches, even if I also select the map with the sketches in it.
>>>>>> Changing the order of the select statements doesn't make any
>>>>>> difference. I've also tried adding scrap outlines by drawing walls
>>>>>> around the areas of interest in the th2 file in the vain hope that
>>>>>> this would have some effect, but it did nothing. I've tried selecting
>>>>>> scraps directly instead of maps, with the same result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that this has the potential to be a really useful feature, but
>>>>>> unfortunately its current behaviour regarding inclusion of centreline
>>>>>> makes it all but unusable in large projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Duncan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2019, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion at speleo.sk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>>> I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here
>>>>>>> https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I
>>>>>>> experimented
>>>>>>> with 4-5 years ago.
>>>>>>> One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually
>>>>>>> produced
>>>>>>> something more akin to a model.  In those pages I did not have any
>>>>>>> -sketch
>>>>>>> specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> centreline (model).
>>>>>>> Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I
>>>>>>> recall
>>>>>>> that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not
>>>>>>> respect
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> limits of the selected map.
>>>>>>> Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better
>>>>>>> xvi
>>>>>>> control?
>>>>>>> Have a look at this table
>>>>>>> https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may
>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> insight.  It may no longer be current, and there may have been
>>>>>>> mistakes
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> it from the start.  Any feedback welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Therion <therion-bounces at speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis
>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>> Therion
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10
>>>>>>> To: therion at speleo.sk
>>>>>>> Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map
>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>> with background sketches..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations
>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>> to enable warping/morphing of these background images.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the
>>>>>>> scraps
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then in .thconfig:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> select map_A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> layout morph
>>>>>>> scale 1 500
>>>>>>> grid bottom
>>>>>>> grid-size 100 100 100 m
>>>>>>> sketches on
>>>>>>> grid off
>>>>>>> endlayout
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # Output plan in Therion pdf format
>>>>>>> export map \
>>>>>>> -projection plan \
>>>>>>> -format pdf\
>>>>>>> -output map_A.pdf \
>>>>>>> -layout morph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # Output plan in Therion xvi format
>>>>>>> export map \
>>>>>>> -projection plan \
>>>>>>> -format xvi\
>>>>>>> -output map_A.xvi\
>>>>>>> -layout morph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background
>>>>>>> images
>>>>>>> attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the
>>>>>>> export
>>>>>>> command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the
>>>>>>> centreline
>>>>>>> for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing
>>>>>>> area,
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> start working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same
>>>>>>> bits
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> missing something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why
>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI
>>>>>>> completely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way to achieve these two things?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Duncan.
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