[Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches..

Martin Sluka martinsluka at mac.com
Fri Feb 15 08:12:28 CET 2019 

It is. I hope in the future it will be possible. 

Martin Sluka

Odesláno z iPhonu

15. 2. 2019 v 2:19, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion at speleo.sk>:

> Hi, Martin.
> 
> Thanks for the clarification. That leads me to a final question: is it
> possible to select a particular survey and also get morphed sketches
> in the output XVI file? I've tried to do this without success, but
> maybe there's something I am missing?
> 
> I've tried:
> 
> select survey_1 at system
> select survey_2 at system
> 
> and get an XVI file with centreline for survey_1 and survey_2 and no sketches.
> 
> If I try:
> 
> select map_A at system
> select survey_1 at system
> select survey_2 at system
> 
> I still only get the centreline. Is this expected behaviour?
> 
> Best regards,
> Duncan.
> 
>> On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion at speleo.sk> wrote:
>> Xvi is generated from centerlines in surveys. It has nothing together (till
>> now) with scraps.
>> 
>> So there is the problem. If you select only particular survey(s) it shoul
>> generate only xvi fot that survey(s).
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> Odesláno z iPhonu
>> 
>> 14. 2. 2019 v 12:39, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion at speleo.sk>:
>> 
>>> Hi, Martin.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the quick response, but I'm afraid I'm not sure I
>>> completely follow your meaning.
>>> 
>>> The map I'm trying to export *is* based on scraps. The problem is that
>>> I'm ending up with the centreline of the whole system in the XVI file
>>> rather than being limited to the scraps.
>>> 
>>> If that is the expected behaviour then it's useful to know, as I can
>>> stop wasting time trying to get it to do something else, and can start
>>> thinking more about how to work around it - I already have an idea to
>>> write a script to strip parts of the centreline that I don't want out
>>> of the XVI file.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Duncan.
>>> 
>>>> On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion at speleo.sk> wrote:
>>>> To ability to export xvi as part of PDF output is long time on to-do
>>>> list.
>>>> 
>>>> The export of morphed sketches is part of exporting maps based on scraps
>>>> or
>>>> partial maps based on scraps, not exporting centerlines as defined in
>>>> maps
>>>> based on surveys.
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>>> 14. 2. 2019 v 7:56, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion at speleo.sk>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, Bruce.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the reply. The wiki pages you linked were one of the most
>>>>> helpful resources when I was trying to get this to work, along with
>>>>> Marco Corvi's "Therion by Examples".
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've tried selecting surveys, but when I do that I get an XVI file
>>>>> containing the centreline of the selected surveys, but no background
>>>>> sketches, even if I also select the map with the sketches in it.
>>>>> Changing the order of the select statements doesn't make any
>>>>> difference. I've also tried adding scrap outlines by drawing walls
>>>>> around the areas of interest in the th2 file in the vain hope that
>>>>> this would have some effect, but it did nothing. I've tried selecting
>>>>> scraps directly instead of maps, with the same result.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think that this has the potential to be a really useful feature, but
>>>>> unfortunately its current behaviour regarding inclusion of centreline
>>>>> makes it all but unusable in large projects.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Duncan.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14/02/2019, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion at speleo.sk> wrote:
>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>> I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here
>>>>>> https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I
>>>>>> experimented
>>>>>> with 4-5 years ago.
>>>>>> One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually
>>>>>> produced
>>>>>> something more akin to a model.  In those pages I did not have any
>>>>>> -sketch
>>>>>> specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with was
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> centreline (model).
>>>>>> Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I
>>>>>> recall
>>>>>> that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not respect
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> limits of the selected map.
>>>>>> Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better xvi
>>>>>> control?
>>>>>> Have a look at this table
>>>>>> https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may provide
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> insight.  It may no longer be current, and there may have been mistakes
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> it from the start.  Any feedback welcome.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Therion <therion-bounces at speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis
>>>>>> via
>>>>>> Therion
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10
>>>>>> To: therion at speleo.sk
>>>>>> Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map
>>>>>> output
>>>>>> with background sketches..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations
>>>>>> placed
>>>>>> to enable warping/morphing of these background images.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the scraps
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> want.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then in .thconfig:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> select map_A
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> layout morph
>>>>>> scale 1 500
>>>>>> grid bottom
>>>>>> grid-size 100 100 100 m
>>>>>> sketches on
>>>>>> grid off
>>>>>> endlayout
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> # Output plan in Therion pdf format
>>>>>> export map \
>>>>>> -projection plan \
>>>>>> -format pdf\
>>>>>> -output map_A.pdf \
>>>>>> -layout morph
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> # Output plan in Therion xvi format
>>>>>> export map \
>>>>>> -projection plan \
>>>>>> -format xvi\
>>>>>> -output map_A.xvi\
>>>>>> -layout morph
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background
>>>>>> images
>>>>>> attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of the
>>>>>> centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the
>>>>>> export
>>>>>> command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the
>>>>>> centreline
>>>>>> for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing
>>>>>> area,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> start working.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same bits
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am I
>>>>>> missing something?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring the
>>>>>> sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI
>>>>>> completely.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there a way to achieve these two things?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Duncan.
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