[Therion] LRUD data
Torsten Schnitter
torsten.schnitter at netcologne.de
Wed Jun 27 15:08:20 CEST 2012
Hi JP
Try "units imperial".
Best,
Torsten
McLendonJP at aol.com hat am 27. Juni 2012 um 14:23 geschrieben:
> Graham,
> I've got the centerline and LRUD data all together in the same block, as in
> "data normal station left right up down newline length compass clino" and
> immediately before it "units length feet" but it still treats my input numbers
> at meters instead of feet (for the LRUD). Olly's suggestion to use "units left
> right up down feet" works perfectly to get Therion to treat the numbers as
> feet.
>
> Thanks,
> JP
>
> In a message dated 6/27/2012 6:18:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> graham.mullan at coly.org.uk writes:
>
> > > > From: McLendonJP at aol.com
> >
> > > Also, I experimented with using "walls on" to see if it would get
> > >Therion
> > > to use the LRUD data to determine depth. It didn't, but I found that
> > > Therion is reading my LRUD data as meters instead of feet. I use the
> > >command
> > > "units length feet" before the data but seems to only work for the
> > > >tape
> > > measurement. Am I missing something?
> >
> > Can I assume that you have separate blocks of data for the centreline
> > and the LRUD? If so then you need to enter the "units length feet" line
> > again after the "data dimensions station left right up down" line.
> >
> > Alternatively just take all your measurements in metres ;-)
> >
> > You are right, however, that Therion determines depth by the difference
> > between the highest and lowest stations. It is difficult to see how else
> > it would work. It is a trivial matter to mark your highest and lowest
> > points as stations.
> >
> > Graham
> > >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Incorrect depth generated for legend (McLendonJP at aol.com)
> > > 2. Re: Incorrect depth generated for legend (Olly Betts)
> > > 3. Re: Incorrect depth generated for legend (Bruce)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:06:50 -0400 (EDT)
> > > From: McLendonJP at aol.com
> > > Subject: [Therion] Incorrect depth generated for legend
> > > To: Therion at speleo.sk
> > > Message-ID: <1fbcc.371cc17a.3d1b7e6a at aol.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > I recently used Therion to produce a map for a short horizontal cave.
> > > The
> > > cave is only a little over 100' long and the floor is almost level from
> > > one
> > > end to the other. The "depth" information that Therion generated for
> > > the
> > > legend is 3 feet even though some of the passage in the cave is 5 feet
> > > high.
> > > I'm assuming that therion uses the vertical difference between the
> > > highest
> > > station and the lowest station to generate the depth number without
> > > regard
> > > to LRUD data, is this correct? And does anybody have a suggestion for
> > > how I
> > > can easily get the correct depth output onto my map? I can see how
> > > this
> > > could be a significant issue if you had a cave with little vertical
> > > extent
> > > except for a high dome. You would have to shoot a shot to a station at
> > > the
> > > top of the dome to capture it's vertical extent in the legend data.
> > >
> > > Also, I experimented with using "walls on" to see if it would get
> > > Therion
> > > to use the LRUD data to determine depth. It didn't, but I found that
> > > Therion is reading my LRUD data as meters instead of feet. I use the
> > > command
> > > "units length feet" before the data but seems to only work for the tape
> > > measurement. Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > Sorry if these questions are a little basic, but I've still got a lot
> > > to
> > > learn about Therion.
> > >
> > > Much thanks,
> > > JP McLendon
> > >
> > >
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> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:10:42 +0100
> > > From: Olly Betts <olly at survex.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Therion] Incorrect depth generated for legend
> > > To: McLendonJP at aol.com
> > > Cc: Therion at speleo.sk
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> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 05:06:50PM -0400, McLendonJP at aol.com wrote:
> > >> Therion is reading my LRUD data as meters instead of feet. I use the
> > >> command
> > >> "units length feet" before the data but seems to only work for the
> > >> tape
> > >> measurement. Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > The therion book doesn't seem to explicitly include these in the list
> > > of
> > > valid quantities, but the syntax comes from Survex so this should work:
> > >
> > > units left right up down feet
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Olly
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:09:39 +1200
> > > From: Bruce <bruce at tomo.co.nz>
> > > Subject: Re: [Therion] Incorrect depth generated for legend
> > > To: 'List for Therion users' <therion at speleo.sk>
> > > Message-ID: <6FA0C0A3E79A4D7F920D3CF3BE25F5AD at JUICEBRAIN>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > >> I'm assuming that therion uses the vertical difference between the
> > >> highest
> > > station and the lowest station to generate the depth number without
> > > regard
> > > to LRUD data, is this correct?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> And does anybody have a suggestion for how I can easily get the
> > >> correct
> > > depth output onto my map?
> > >
> > > You can add some tex code to a layout. See
> > > http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=tex#overriding_data_supplied_by_th
> > > erion_map_headers
> > >
> > > Eg
> > >
> > > code tex-map
> > > \cavedepth{300\thinspace{}ft} %forcing reported depth to 300 ft
> > > endcode
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> I can see how this could be a significant issue if you had a cave with
> > > little vertical extent except for a high dome. You would have to shoot
> > > a
> > > shot to a station at the top of the dome to capture it's vertical
> > > extent in
> > > the legend data.
> > >
> > > That would avoid the need to manually edit the depth each time you
> > > suspected
> > > a new survey might change the depth of the cave. It would be my
> > > preferred
> > > method, even if it means creating an artificial shot to replicate the
> > > 'up'
> > > data. It would need 'flags duplicate' to prevent it being added to the
> > > reported survey network length.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > >
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