Therion came up in a thread on cavechat. Some good points were brought up that are beyond my ability to respond to. I figured someone more knowledgeable than me might like to respond. A lot of people read cavechat and it would be a shame to scare people away from therion for no good reason. http://forums.caves.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6757&p=55739 -- -Jonny ^v^