The more I look at the behaviour the more I think it is either a bug, or at best, unhelpful behaviour. I have a workaround that minimises the mess, simply by offsetting both scraps, one by 100 mm and the other by the desired offset distance. map FinalMap Map1 [000.1 000] above # to emulate map drawn in proper location but without disabling display of map-connection symbols Map2 [050 000] above # to draw the map in offset as well endmap I experimented with using ‘none’ in place of ‘above’, but that made no difference to whether the map-connection symbols are displayed. Bruce From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton Sent: Monday, 16 November 2020 10:04 To: 'List for Therion users' <therion@speleo.sk> Subject: [Therion] map-connection does not display if map is both offset and not offset Thanks for the suggestion Marco. I think what you suggest is what I was already doing, however I decided to try yet another level of hierarchical separation, but it also did not work. However I think the effect you are pointing me to is what is in-play here https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/mapconnectors?s[]=offset <https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/mapconnectors?s%5b%5d=offset> I’ll tinker with it some more… For me it is really only a debug process while I am drawing, so it is best if it soes not require special structures to activate and deactivate. Bruce From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk <mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk> > On Behalf Of Marco Corvi Sent: Monday, 16 November 2020 09:07 To: therion@speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> Subject: Re: [Therion] : map-connection does not display if map is both offset and not offset @bruce that was a nice remark. i think that if you put scrap1 in map1 and scrap2 in map2, and then combine in a final map containing map1 map2 […] above/below map2 and select the final map, then you get scrap1 and scrap2 in place, and also scrap2 offseted and the map-connection line marco I just discovered some behaviour that I did not expect. When a scrap has a point map-connection, any exports of that scrap have a dotted line from the 'true' location of the point map-location to the 'offset' location. Right? These two examples show what is expected. The first with a single copy of an offset map, and the second with two offset copies of the map. However, if there is also a copy of the map that is not offset, then all of the map-connection points are hidden. I tried using the -visibility on option for the point map-connection, that that had no effect. The image below shows an example of this behaviour. Although it is not very often that I want to show a map both in its proper location and offset, it seems to me that one should be able to do it and also have the map-connection points display properly for the offset maps. Is this a bug perhaps? Bruce