Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5
Thanks for the help. Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over. One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later. Rob Countess On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:49 PM, therion-request@speleo.sk wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)"
[lots of dependency/package building]
? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:18:41 +0100 From: Dave Clucas <dave.clucas@icloud.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4, having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To open an existing file start Terminal and type xtherion followed by the filename you wish to open. You may drag the filename from a Finder window.
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:25:37 -0700 From: Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Installed Mactex rebooted
Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" ==> This script will install: /usr/local/bin/brew /usr/local/Library/... /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 ==> The following directories will be made group writable: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information.
To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort.
Password: ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew * [new branch] master -> origin/master HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test ==> Installation successful! ==> Next steps Run `brew help` to get started Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help Example usage: brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] brew install FORMULA... brew uninstall FORMULA... brew search [foo] brew list [FORMULA...] brew update brew upgrade [FORMULA...] brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...]
Troubleshooting: brew doctor brew install -vd FORMULA brew [--env | config]
Brewing: brew create [URL [--no-fetch]] brew edit [FORMULA...] open https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-...
Further help: man brew brew home Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update Already up-to-date. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew maintainers with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew for is working fine: please don't worry and just ignore them. Thanks!
Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable. This can happen if you "sudo make install" software that isn't managed by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale information to one of these directories, then the install will fail during the link step. You should probably `chown` them:
/usr/local/share/man/de /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science ==> Tapping Homebrew/science Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. Checking connectivity... done. Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60 files, 2.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: xz ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ==> Caveats In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's own libtool we have prepended a "g" so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize. ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2. ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1: 1442 files, 22M ==> Installing therion dependency: lcdf-typetools ==> Downloading http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104 --without-kpaths ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104: 29 files, 4.1M, built in 20 seconds ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847 files, 32M ==> Installing therion dependency: boost ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572 files, 439M ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz ==> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache -frv xtherion? /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448 files, 3.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: szip ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5 ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk ==> Downloading http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR ==> make xtherion ==> make install ==> Caveats Even without the --with-qt option, you can display native VTK render windows from python. Alternatively, you can integrate the RenderWindowInteractor in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more: import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx)
Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is not in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the modules this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, please run: mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages echo 'import site; site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")' >> /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files, 125M, built in 21.4 minutes ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M ==> Installing therion ==> Downloading http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> make config-macosx ==> make ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
Rob Countess
Rob Countess wrote... One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff Rob Try team "Arthur von/Vorkampff" to deal with names that have more than two words.
From The Therion Book pg 13
person ◃ a person’s first name and surname separated by whitespace characters. Use ‘/’ to separate first name and surname if there are more names. Bruce
Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data? I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job. m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
Thanks for the help.
Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over.
One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff
Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.
Rob Countess
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)"
[lots of dependency/package building]
? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
_____________________________________________________
A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:18:41 +0100 From: Dave Clucas <dave.clucas@icloud.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4, having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To open an existing file start Terminal and type xtherion followed by the filename you wish to open. You may drag the filename from a Finder window.
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:25:37 -0700 From: Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Installed Mactex rebooted
Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" ==> This script will install: /usr/local/bin/brew /usr/local/Library/... /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 ==> The following directories will be made group writable: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information.
To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort.
Password: ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew * [new branch] master -> origin/master HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test ==> Installation successful! ==> Next steps Run `brew help` to get started Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help Example usage: brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] brew install FORMULA... brew uninstall FORMULA... brew search [foo] brew list [FORMULA...] brew update brew upgrade [FORMULA...] brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...]
Troubleshooting: brew doctor brew install -vd FORMULA brew [--env | config]
Brewing: brew create [URL [--no-fetch]] brew edit [FORMULA...] open https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-...
Further help: man brew brew home Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update Already up-to-date. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew maintainers with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew for is working fine: please don't worry and just ignore them. Thanks!
Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable. This can happen if you "sudo make install" software that isn't managed by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale information to one of these directories, then the install will fail during the link step. You should probably `chown` them:
/usr/local/share/man/de /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science ==> Tapping Homebrew/science Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. Checking connectivity... done. Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60 files, 2.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: xz ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ==> Caveats In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's own libtool we have prepended a "g" so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize. ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2. ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1: 1442 files, 22M ==> Installing therion dependency: lcdf-typetools ==> Downloading http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104 --without-kpaths ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104: 29 files, 4.1M, built in 20 seconds ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847 files, 32M ==> Installing therion dependency: boost ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572 files, 439M ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz ==> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache -frv xtherion? /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448 files, 3.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: szip ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5 ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk ==> Downloading http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR ==> make xtherion ==> make install ==> Caveats Even without the --with-qt option, you can display native VTK render windows from python. Alternatively, you can integrate the RenderWindowInteractor in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more: import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx)
Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is not in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the modules this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, please run: mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages echo 'import site; site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")' >> /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files, 125M, built in 21.4 minutes ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M ==> Installing therion ==> Downloading http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> make config-macosx ==> make ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
Rob Countess
This is from the Glory ‘ole caving area on Vancouver Island. I surveyed there from 1996 to 2007 in Arch Cave (10.5 km) Glory ‘ole (now 2.8 km) and Resonance (now 1.8 km). The area had been previously explored from 1980-1988 and some maps produced by hand. Much of the original data was lost. I resurveyed a few km in Arch cave and added 5 km but never completed a map due to the fact that loop closures were wreaking havoc with my walls and Illustrator attempts at a map. The original data in Arch was sketchy solo topofil survey. Resonance was extended by about 1km and an map produced but recently another half kilometre of passage has been added. Glory ‘ole was increased by about a kilometre but the main passage original survey 1.3 km needed to be resurveyed which led to no map. There are drafting leads in connection areas between the three caves. Two other caves Pellucidar and Tsulton Rising (cave dive) were managed by Pat Shaw, a cave diver. I went off to medical school in 2007 and nobody picked up the torch as far as drawing maps. Now I’m back and we are at it again. I want Therion to keep the maps up to date with the exploration going forward. The data is from 2004. I lost my 2007 copy due to 7 years of neglect and hard drive failure. I still have original notes of all exploration I was involved in but there are probably 3 km of passage that should be resurveyed. I’m getting the hang of Therion and have got Resonance and Glory ‘ole centerline data converted over. On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com> wrote:
Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data?
I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job.
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
Thanks for the help.
Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over.
One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff
Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.
Rob Countess
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)"
[lots of dependency/package building]
? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:18:41 +0100 From: Dave Clucas <dave.clucas@icloud.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4, having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To open an existing file start Terminal and type xtherion followed by the filename you wish to open. You may drag the filename from a Finder window.
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:25:37 -0700 From: Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Installed Mactex rebooted
Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" ==> This script will install: /usr/local/bin/brew /usr/local/Library/... /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 ==> The following directories will be made group writable: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information.
To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort.
Password: ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew * [new branch] master -> origin/master HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test ==> Installation successful! ==> Next steps Run `brew help` to get started Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help Example usage: brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] brew install FORMULA... brew uninstall FORMULA... brew search [foo] brew list [FORMULA...] brew update brew upgrade [FORMULA...] brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...]
Troubleshooting: brew doctor brew install -vd FORMULA brew [--env | config]
Brewing: brew create [URL [--no-fetch]] brew edit [FORMULA...] open https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-...
Further help: man brew brew home Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update Already up-to-date. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew maintainers with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew for is working fine: please don't worry and just ignore them. Thanks!
Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable. This can happen if you "sudo make install" software that isn't managed by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale information to one of these directories, then the install will fail during the link step. You should probably `chown` them:
/usr/local/share/man/de /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science ==> Tapping Homebrew/science Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. Checking connectivity... done. Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60 files, 2.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: xz ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ==> Caveats In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's own libtool we have prepended a "g" so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize. ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2. ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1: 1442 files, 22M ==> Installing therion dependency: lcdf-typetools ==> Downloading http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104 --without-kpaths ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104: 29 files, 4.1M, built in 20 seconds ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847 files, 32M ==> Installing therion dependency: boost ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572 files, 439M ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz ==> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache -frv xtherion? /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448 files, 3.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: szip ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5 ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk ==> Downloading http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR ==> make xtherion ==> make install ==> Caveats Even without the --with-qt option, you can display native VTK render windows from python. Alternatively, you can integrate the RenderWindowInteractor in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more: import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx)
Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is not in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the modules this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, please run: mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages echo 'import site; site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")' >> /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files, 125M, built in 21.4 minutes ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M ==> Installing therion ==> Downloading http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> make config-macosx ==> make ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
Rob Countess
The problem of Compass and Walls data conversion is generate list of equate commands. In Compass and Walls it is simple, because there couldn’t be two stations with identical name. But in Therion it is not a rule. So you should to do it manually. in survey12 which is above survey1 and survey2: equal a101@survey1 a101@survey2 m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 10:20, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
<Glory.zip>
This is from the Glory ‘ole caving area on Vancouver Island. I surveyed there from 1996 to 2007 in Arch Cave (10.5 km) Glory ‘ole (now 2.8 km) and Resonance (now 1.8 km). The area had been previously explored from 1980-1988 and some maps produced by hand. Much of the original data was lost. I resurveyed a few km in Arch cave and added 5 km but never completed a map due to the fact that loop closures were wreaking havoc with my walls and Illustrator attempts at a map. The original data in Arch was sketchy solo topofil survey. Resonance was extended by about 1km and an map produced but recently another half kilometre of passage has been added. Glory ‘ole was increased by about a kilometre but the main passage original survey 1.3 km needed to be resurveyed which led to no map. There are drafting leads in connection areas between the three caves. Two other caves Pellucidar and Tsulton Rising (cave dive) were managed by Pat Shaw, a cave diver.
I went off to medical school in 2007 and nobody picked up the torch as far as drawing maps. Now I’m back and we are at it again. I want Therion to keep the maps up to date with the exploration going forward.
The data is from 2004. I lost my 2007 copy due to 7 years of neglect and hard drive failure. I still have original notes of all exploration I was involved in but there are probably 3 km of passage that should be resurveyed.
I’m getting the hang of Therion and have got Resonance and Glory ‘ole centerline data converted over.
On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com> wrote:
Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data?
I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job.
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
Thanks for the help.
Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over.
One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff
Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.
Rob Countess
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)"
[lots of dependency/package building]
? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:18:41 +0100 From: Dave Clucas <dave.clucas@icloud.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4, having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To open an existing file start Terminal and type xtherion followed by the filename you wish to open. You may drag the filename from a Finder window.
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Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Installed Mactex rebooted
Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" ==> This script will install: /usr/local/bin/brew /usr/local/Library/... /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 ==> The following directories will be made group writable: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information.
To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort.
Password: ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew * [new branch] master -> origin/master HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test ==> Installation successful! ==> Next steps Run `brew help` to get started Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help Example usage: brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] brew install FORMULA... brew uninstall FORMULA... brew search [foo] brew list [FORMULA...] brew update brew upgrade [FORMULA...] brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...]
Troubleshooting: brew doctor brew install -vd FORMULA brew [--env | config]
Brewing: brew create [URL [--no-fetch]] brew edit [FORMULA...] open https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-...
Further help: man brew brew home Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update Already up-to-date. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew maintainers with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew for is working fine: please don't worry and just ignore them. Thanks!
Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable. This can happen if you "sudo make install" software that isn't managed by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale information to one of these directories, then the install will fail during the link step. You should probably `chown` them:
/usr/local/share/man/de /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science ==> Tapping Homebrew/science Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. Checking connectivity... done. Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60 files, 2.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: xz ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ==> Caveats In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's own libtool we have prepended a "g" so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize. ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2. ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1: 1442 files, 22M ==> Installing therion dependency: lcdf-typetools ==> Downloading http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104 --without-kpaths ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104: 29 files, 4.1M, built in 20 seconds ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847 files, 32M ==> Installing therion dependency: boost ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572 files, 439M ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz ==> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache -frv xtherion? /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448 files, 3.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: szip ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5 ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk ==> Downloading http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR ==> make xtherion ==> make install ==> Caveats Even without the --with-qt option, you can display native VTK render windows from python. Alternatively, you can integrate the RenderWindowInteractor in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more: import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx)
Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is not in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the modules this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, please run: mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages echo 'import site; site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")' >> /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files, 125M, built in 21.4 minutes ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M ==> Installing therion ==> Downloading http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> make config-macosx ==> make ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
Rob Countess
if all stations have different name in Compass and Walls, could they be put in a single survey name-space? However, I agree that this is not the cleanest way as it is not respecting the structure of surveys that was previously defined. Xavier Le 22/04/2015 13:31, Martin Sluka a écrit :
The problem of Compass and Walls data conversion is generate list of equate commands. In Compass and Walls it is simple, because there couldn’t be two stations with identical name. But in Therion it is not a rule. So you should to do it manually.
in survey12 which is above survey1 and survey2:
equal a101@survey1 a101@survey2
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 10:20, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
<Glory.zip>
This is from the Glory ‘ole caving area on Vancouver Island. I surveyed there from 1996 to 2007 in Arch Cave (10.5 km) Glory ‘ole (now 2.8 km) and Resonance (now 1.8 km). The area had been previously explored from 1980-1988 and some maps produced by hand. Much of the original data was lost. I resurveyed a few km in Arch cave and added 5 km but never completed a map due to the fact that loop closures were wreaking havoc with my walls and Illustrator attempts at a map. The original data in Arch was sketchy solo topofil survey. Resonance was extended by about 1km and an map produced but recently another half kilometre of passage has been added. Glory ‘ole was increased by about a kilometre but the main passage original survey 1.3 km needed to be resurveyed which led to no map. There are drafting leads in connection areas between the three caves. Two other caves Pellucidar and Tsulton Rising (cave dive) were managed by Pat Shaw, a cave diver.
I went off to medical school in 2007 and nobody picked up the torch as far as drawing maps. Now I’m back and we are at it again. I want Therion to keep the maps up to date with the exploration going forward.
The data is from 2004. I lost my 2007 copy due to 7 years of neglect and hard drive failure. I still have original notes of all exploration I was involved in but there are probably 3 km of passage that should be resurveyed.
I’m getting the hang of Therion and have got Resonance and Glory ‘ole centerline data converted over.
On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com> wrote:
Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data?
I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job.
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
Thanks for the help.
Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over.
One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff
Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.
Rob Countess
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" [lots of dependency/package building]
? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls. I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:18:41 +0100 From: Dave Clucas <dave.clucas@icloud.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4, having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To open an existing file start Terminal and type xtherion followed by the filename you wish to open. You may drag the filename from a Finder window.
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:25:37 -0700 From: Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Installed Mactex rebooted
Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" ==> This script will install: /usr/local/bin/brew /usr/local/Library/... /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 ==> The following directories will be made group writable: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information.
To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort.
Password: ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew * [new branch] master -> origin/master HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test ==> Installation successful! ==> Next steps Run `brew help` to get started Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help Example usage: brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] brew install FORMULA... brew uninstall FORMULA... brew search [foo] brew list [FORMULA...] brew update brew upgrade [FORMULA...] brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...]
Troubleshooting: brew doctor brew install -vd FORMULA brew [--env | config]
Brewing: brew create [URL [--no-fetch]] brew edit [FORMULA...] open https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-...
Further help: man brew brew home Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update Already up-to-date. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew maintainers with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew for is working fine: please don't worry and just ignore them. Thanks!
Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable. This can happen if you "sudo make install" software that isn't managed by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale information to one of these directories, then the install will fail during the link step. You should probably `chown` them:
/usr/local/share/man/de /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science ==> Tapping Homebrew/science Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. Checking connectivity... done. Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60 files, 2.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: xz ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ==> Caveats In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's own libtool we have prepended a "g" so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize. ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2. ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1: 1442 files, 22M ==> Installing therion dependency: lcdf-typetools ==> Downloading http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104 --without-kpaths ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104: 29 files, 4.1M, built in 20 seconds ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847 files, 32M ==> Installing therion dependency: boost ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572 files, 439M ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz ==> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache -frv xtherion? /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448 files, 3.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: szip ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5 ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk ==> Downloading http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR ==> make xtherion ==> make install ==> Caveats Even without the --with-qt option, you can display native VTK render windows from python. Alternatively, you can integrate the RenderWindowInteractor in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more: import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx)
Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is not in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the modules this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, please run: mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages echo 'import site; site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")' >> /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files, 125M, built in 21.4 minutes ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M ==> Installing therion ==> Downloading http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> make config-macosx ==> make ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
Rob Countess
You may „replace“ structure of surveys by several centerline sections. But you'll lost many informations connected with particular surveys. It could be a simple searching to find equate stations. They are typical by names, which are strange in particular centerline. x11 A1 A1 A2 A2 A3 It is clear that this centerline should be connected to other one with station x11. If you may use external plain text editor which has multiple file search feature it is quite easy to find another(s) x11 station(s) in data set. I’m on Mac so I use BBEdit many years but there could be another choices too. Any way you may follow the error messages of Therion’s compilation. m.s.
23. 4. 2015 v 3:35, Xavier Pennec <Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr>:
if all stations have different name in Compass and Walls, could they be put in a single survey name-space? However, I agree that this is not the cleanest way as it is not respecting the structure of surveys that was previously defined.
Xavier
Le 22/04/2015 13:31, Martin Sluka a écrit :
The problem of Compass and Walls data conversion is generate list of equate commands. In Compass and Walls it is simple, because there couldn’t be two stations with identical name. But in Therion it is not a rule. So you should to do it manually.
in survey12 which is above survey1 and survey2:
equal a101@survey1 a101@survey2
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 10:20, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
<Glory.zip>
This is from the Glory ‘ole caving area on Vancouver Island. I surveyed there from 1996 to 2007 in Arch Cave (10.5 km) Glory ‘ole (now 2.8 km) and Resonance (now 1.8 km). The area had been previously explored from 1980-1988 and some maps produced by hand. Much of the original data was lost. I resurveyed a few km in Arch cave and added 5 km but never completed a map due to the fact that loop closures were wreaking havoc with my walls and Illustrator attempts at a map. The original data in Arch was sketchy solo topofil survey. Resonance was extended by about 1km and an map produced but recently another half kilometre of passage has been added. Glory ‘ole was increased by about a kilometre but the main passage original survey 1.3 km needed to be resurveyed which led to no map. There are drafting leads in connection areas between the three caves. Two other caves Pellucidar and Tsulton Rising (cave dive) were managed by Pat Shaw, a cave diver.
I went off to medical school in 2007 and nobody picked up the torch as far as drawing maps. Now I’m back and we are at it again. I want Therion to keep the maps up to date with the exploration going forward.
The data is from 2004. I lost my 2007 copy due to 7 years of neglect and hard drive failure. I still have original notes of all exploration I was involved in but there are probably 3 km of passage that should be resurveyed.
I’m getting the hang of Therion and have got Resonance and Glory ‘ole centerline data converted over.
On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com> wrote:
Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data?
I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job.
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
Thanks for the help.
Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over.
One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff
Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.
Rob Countess
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]: > Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki > > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// > raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" [lots of dependency/package building]
> ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion > -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
> _____________________________________________________ > > A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar > at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and > existing file or create a new one." > When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button > I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and > cannot be selected. > > I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data > for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to > switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have > to stick with Walls. I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:18:41 +0100 From: Dave Clucas <dave.clucas@icloud.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4, having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To open an existing file start Terminal and type xtherion followed by the filename you wish to open. You may drag the filename from a Finder window.
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> On 18 Apr 2015, at 21:17, therion-request@speleo.sk wrote: > > Send Therion mailing list submissions to > therion@speleo.sk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > therion-request@speleo.sk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > therion-owner@speleo.sk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:25:37 -0700 > From: Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> > Subject: [Therion] having trouble, first time user > To: therion@speleo.sk > Message-ID: <3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki > > Installed Mactex > rebooted > > Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make > xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools. > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ > [Restored] > Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ > [Restored] > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" > ==> This script will install: > /usr/local/bin/brew > /usr/local/Library/... > /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 > ==> The following directories will be made group writable: > /usr/local/. > /usr/local/bin > /usr/local/share > /usr/local/share/man > /usr/local/share/man/man1 > ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: > /usr/local/. > /usr/local/bin > /usr/local/share > /usr/local/share/man > /usr/local/share/man/man1 > > Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort > ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 > > WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss > or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your > typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information. > > To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort. > > Password: > ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 > ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew > ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew > ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... > remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. > remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. > remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 > Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. > Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. > From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew > * [new branch] master -> origin/master > HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test > ==> Installation successful! > ==> Next steps > Run `brew help` to get started > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help > Example usage: > brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] > brew install FORMULA... > brew uninstall FORMULA... > brew search [foo] > brew list [FORMULA...] > brew update > brew upgrade [FORMULA...] > brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...] > > Troubleshooting: > brew doctor > brew install -vd FORMULA > brew [--env | config] > > Brewing: > brew create [URL [--no-fetch]] > brew edit [FORMULA...] > open https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-... > > Further help: > man brew > brew home > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update > Already up-to-date. > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor > Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew maintainers > with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew for is > working fine: please don't worry and just ignore them. Thanks! > > Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable. > This can happen if you "sudo make install" software that isn't managed > by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale information to one of these > directories, then the install will fail during the link step. > You should probably `chown` them: > > /usr/local/share/man/de > /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science > ==> Tapping Homebrew/science > Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... > remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. > remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. > remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 > Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. > Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. > Checking connectivity... done. > Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j > ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M > ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60 files, 2.6M > ==> Installing therion dependency: xz > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M > ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ==> Caveats > In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's own libtool we have prepended a "g" > so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize. > ==> Summary > ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69 files, 3.8M > ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2. > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K > ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1: 1442 files, 22M > ==> Installing therion dependency: lcdf-typetools > ==> Downloading http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104 --without-kpaths > ==> make install > ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104: 29 files, 4.1M, built in 20 seconds > ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847 files, 32M > ==> Installing therion dependency: boost > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572 files, 439M > ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz > ==> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache -frv > xtherion? /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448 files, 3.6M > ==> Installing therion dependency: szip > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K > ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5 > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M > ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254 files, 3.8M > ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk > ==> Downloading http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR > ==> make > xtherion > ==> make install > ==> Caveats > Even without the --with-qt option, you can display native VTK render windows > from python. Alternatively, you can integrate the RenderWindowInteractor > in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more: > import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx) > > > Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is not > in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the modules > this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, > please run: > mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages > echo 'import site; site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")' >> /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth > ==> Summary > ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files, 125M, built in 21.4 minutes > ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> Pouring wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M > ==> Installing therion > ==> Downloading http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz > ######################################################################## 100.0% > ==> make config-macosx > ==> make > ==> make install > ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion > -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion > > _____________________________________________________ > > A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." > When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected. > > I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls. > > Rob Countess >
Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization. I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess. My data sets are Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km) - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps) White Ridge -7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS Larch Mountain 2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too. I am looking for an example data set that has 1) multiple caves in one caving area 2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series 3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves 4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map. Thanks, Rob Countess PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to: rob.countess@gmail.com On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Xavier Pennec <Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr> wrote:
if all stations have different name in Compass and Walls, could they be put in a single survey name-space? However, I agree that this is not the cleanest way as it is not respecting the structure of surveys that was previously defined.
Xavier
Le 22/04/2015 13:31, Martin Sluka a écrit :
The problem of Compass and Walls data conversion is generate list of equate commands. In Compass and Walls it is simple, because there couldn’t be two stations with identical name. But in Therion it is not a rule. So you should to do it manually.
in survey12 which is above survey1 and survey2:
equal a101@survey1 a101@survey2
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 10:20, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
<Glory.zip>
This is from the Glory ‘ole caving area on Vancouver Island. I surveyed there from 1996 to 2007 in Arch Cave (10.5 km) Glory ‘ole (now 2.8 km) and Resonance (now 1.8 km). The area had been previously explored from 1980-1988 and some maps produced by hand. Much of the original data was lost. I resurveyed a few km in Arch cave and added 5 km but never completed a map due to the fact that loop closures were wreaking havoc with my walls and Illustrator attempts at a map. The original data in Arch was sketchy solo topofil survey. Resonance was extended by about 1km and an map produced but recently another half kilometre of passage has been added. Glory ‘ole was increased by about a kilometre but the main passage original survey 1.3 km needed to be resurveyed which led to no map. There are drafting leads in connection areas between the three caves. Two other caves Pellucidar and Tsulton Rising (cave dive) were managed by Pat Shaw, a cave diver.
I went off to medical school in 2007 and nobody picked up the torch as far as drawing maps. Now I’m back and we are at it again. I want Therion to keep the maps up to date with the exploration going forward.
The data is from 2004. I lost my 2007 copy due to 7 years of neglect and hard drive failure. I still have original notes of all exploration I was involved in but there are probably 3 km of passage that should be resurveyed.
I’m getting the hang of Therion and have got Resonance and Glory ‘ole centerline data converted over.
On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com> wrote:
Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data?
I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job.
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
Thanks for the help.
Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over.
One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff
Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.
Rob Countess
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:
> Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on > wiki > > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// > raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" > [lots of dependency/package building]
? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 > seconds > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion > -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion > This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
_____________________________________________________ > > A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The > Status bar > at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it > open and > existing file or create a new one." > When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the > folder button > I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all > grey and > cannot be selected. > > I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I > had data > for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I > want to > switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then > I?ll have > to stick with Walls. > I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:18:41 +0100 From: Dave Clucas <dave.clucas@icloud.com> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4, having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) To: therion@speleo.sk Message-ID: <2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To open an existing file start Terminal and type xtherion followed by the filename you wish to open. You may drag the filename from a Finder window.
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On 18 Apr 2015, at 21:17, therion-request@speleo.sk wrote: > > Send Therion mailing list submissions to > therion@speleo.sk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > therion-request@speleo.sk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > therion-owner@speleo.sk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:25:37 -0700 > From: Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> > Subject: [Therion] having trouble, first time user > To: therion@speleo.sk > Message-ID: <3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on > wiki > > Installed Mactex > rebooted > > Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make > xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at > '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the > dialog to download the command line developer tools. > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ > [Restored] > Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ > [Restored] > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" > ==> This script will install: > /usr/local/bin/brew > /usr/local/Library/... > /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 > ==> The following directories will be made group writable: > /usr/local/. > /usr/local/bin > /usr/local/share > /usr/local/share/man > /usr/local/share/man/man1 > ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: > /usr/local/. > /usr/local/bin > /usr/local/share > /usr/local/share/man > /usr/local/share/man/man1 > > Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort > ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin > /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 > > WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss > or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your > typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information. > > To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort. > > Password: > ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin > /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 > ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew > ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew > ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... > remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. > remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. > remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 > Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. > Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. > From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew > * [new branch] master -> origin/master > HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test > ==> Installation successful! > ==> Next steps > Run `brew help` to get started > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help > Example usage: > brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] > brew install FORMULA... > brew uninstall FORMULA... > brew search [foo] > brew list [FORMULA...] > brew update > brew upgrade [FORMULA...] > brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...] > > Troubleshooting: > brew doctor > brew install -vd FORMULA > brew [--env | config] > > Brewing: > brew create [URL [--no-fetch]] > brew edit [FORMULA...] > open > https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-... > > Further help: > man brew > brew home > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update > Already up-to-date. > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor > Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew > maintainers > with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew > for is > working fine: please don't worry and just ignore them. Thanks! > > Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable. > This can happen if you "sudo make install" software that isn't > managed > by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale information to one of > these > directories, then the install will fail during the link step. > You should probably `chown` them: > > /usr/local/share/man/de > /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science > ==> Tapping Homebrew/science > Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... > remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. > remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. > remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 > Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. > Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. > Checking connectivity... done. > Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, > libtool, j > ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M > ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60 files, 2.6M > ==> Installing therion dependency: xz > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M > ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ==> Caveats > In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's own libtool we have > prepended a "g" > so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize. > ==> Summary > ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69 files, 3.8M > ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2. > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K > ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1: 1442 files, 22M > ==> Installing therion dependency: lcdf-typetools > ==> Downloading http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104 > --without-kpaths > ==> make install > ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104: 29 files, 4.1M, built in > 20 seconds > ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847 files, 32M > ==> Installing therion dependency: boost > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572 files, 439M > ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz > ==> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache -frv > xtherion? /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448 files, 3.6M > ==> Installing therion dependency: szip > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K > ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5 > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M > ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254 files, 3.8M > ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk > ==> Downloading > http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= > -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR > ==> make > xtherion > ==> make install > ==> Caveats > Even without the --with-qt option, you can display native VTK render > windows > from python. Alternatively, you can integrate the > RenderWindowInteractor > in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more: > import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx) > > > Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is > not > in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the > modules > this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, > please run: > mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages > echo 'import site; > site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")' >> > /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth > ==> Summary > ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files, 125M, built in 21.4 > minutes > ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac > ==> Downloading > https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> Pouring wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz > ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M > ==> Installing therion > ==> Downloading > http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz > ######################################################################## > 100.0% > ==> make config-macosx > ==> make > ==> make install > ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 > seconds > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion > -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found > Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion > > _____________________________________________________ > > A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The > Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it > open and existing file or create a new one." > When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the > folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are > all grey and cannot be selected. > > I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I > had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I > want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work > then I?ll have to stick with Walls. > > Rob Countess >
try http://cave-registry.org.uk/ loads to look at there, although not all of them are Therion. The one that I work mainly on http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/CheddarCatchment/ Meets your 4 point below, don't think that there is any data that has come out of Walls or Onstation. Some of it has come from compass, for which I wrote a script, but it was quick and dirty, probably not much use to others. Gough's and Reservoir have lots of different outputs from the same data, with overlaps. For the output without the full understanding of Therion, can be found here http://www.ubss.org.uk/cave_survey_archive.php#Cheddar For a couple of slightly easier datasets, without the fancy outputs (yet) there are http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/WookeyCatchment/ http://cave-registry.org.uk/svn/Burrington/ All three are been actively worked on and with an SVN client you could even replay how they have been built up. I do not, however, follow the recommended way to arrange data, I have arranged it so every folder should be stand alone, I find that it has the advantage that people without the full understanding of Therion can work on the bits that they are interested in, probably has some disadvantages to putting the whole thing together, but I cannot say I have found it a problem Andrew On 23/04/15 20:57, Rob Countess wrote:
Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization. I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess. My data sets are
Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km) - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps)
White Ridge -7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS
Larch Mountain
2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS
I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too.
I am looking for an example data set that has
1) multiple caves in one caving area 2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series 3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves 4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map.
Thanks,
Rob Countess
PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to: rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com>
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Xavier Pennec <Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr <mailto:Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr>> wrote:
if all stations have different name in Compass and Walls, could they be put in a single survey name-space? However, I agree that this is not the cleanest way as it is not respecting the structure of surveys that was previously defined.
Xavier
Le 22/04/2015 13:31, Martin Sluka a écrit :
The problem of Compass and Walls data conversion is generate list of equate commands. In Compass and Walls it is simple, because there couldn’t be two stations with identical name. But in Therion it is not a rule. So you should to do it manually.
in survey12 which is above survey1 and survey2:
equal a101@survey1 a101@survey2
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 10:20, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com>>:
<Glory.zip>
This is from the Glory ‘ole caving area on Vancouver Island. I surveyed there from 1996 to 2007 in Arch Cave (10.5 km) Glory ‘ole (now 2.8 km) and Resonance (now 1.8 km). The area had been previously explored from 1980-1988 and some maps produced by hand. Much of the original data was lost. I resurveyed a few km in Arch cave and added 5 km but never completed a map due to the fact that loop closures were wreaking havoc with my walls and Illustrator attempts at a map. The original data in Arch was sketchy solo topofil survey. Resonance was extended by about 1km and an map produced but recently another half kilometre of passage has been added. Glory ‘ole was increased by about a kilometre but the main passage original survey 1.3 km needed to be resurveyed which led to no map. There are drafting leads in connection areas between the three caves. Two other caves Pellucidar and Tsulton Rising (cave dive) were managed by Pat Shaw, a cave diver.
I went off to medical school in 2007 and nobody picked up the torch as far as drawing maps. Now I’m back and we are at it again. I want Therion to keep the maps up to date with the exploration going forward.
The data is from 2004. I lost my 2007 copy due to 7 years of neglect and hard drive failure. I still have original notes of all exploration I was involved in but there are probably 3 km of passage that should be resurveyed.
I’m getting the hang of Therion and have got Resonance and Glory ‘ole centerline data converted over.
On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com <mailto:martinsluka@mac.com>> wrote:
Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data?
I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job.
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com>>:
Thanks for the help.
Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over.
One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff
Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.
Rob Countess
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org <mailto:wookey@wookware.org>> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk <mailto:20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install <http://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install>)"
[lots of dependency/package building]
? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:18:41 +0100 From: Dave Clucas <dave.clucas@icloud.com <mailto:dave.clucas@icloud.com>> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4, having trouble, first time user (Robert Countess) To: therion@speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> Message-ID: <2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com <mailto:2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To open an existing file start Terminal and type xtherion followed by the filename you wish to open. You may drag the filename from a Finder window.
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Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Installed Mactex rebooted
Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" ==> This script will install: /usr/local/bin/brew /usr/local/Library/... /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 ==> The following directories will be made group writable: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information.
To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort.
Password: ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew * [new branch] master -> origin/master HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test ==> Installation successful! ==> Next steps Run `brew help` to get started Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help Example usage: brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] brew install FORMULA... brew uninstall FORMULA... brew search [foo] brew list [FORMULA...] brew update brew upgrade [FORMULA...] brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...]
Troubleshooting: brew doctor brew install -vd FORMULA brew [--env | config]
Brewing: brew create [URL [--no-fetch]] brew edit [FORMULA...] open https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-...
Further help: man brew brew home Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update Already up-to-date. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew maintainers with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew for is working fine: please don't worry and just ignore them. Thanks!
Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable. This can happen if you "sudo make install" software that isn't managed by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale information to one of these directories, then the install will fail during the link step. You should probably `chown` them:
/usr/local/share/man/de /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science ==> Tapping Homebrew/science Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. Checking connectivity... done. Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60 files, 2.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: xz ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ==> Caveats In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's own libtool we have prepended a "g" so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize. ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2. ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1: 1442 files, 22M ==> Installing therion dependency: lcdf-typetools ==> Downloading http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104 --without-kpaths ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104: 29 files, 4.1M, built in 20 seconds ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847 files, 32M ==> Installing therion dependency: boost ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572 files, 439M ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz ==> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache -frv xtherion? /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448 files, 3.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: szip ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5 ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk ==> Downloading http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR ==> make xtherion ==> make install ==> Caveats Even without the --with-qt option, you can display native VTK render windows from python. Alternatively, you can integrate the RenderWindowInteractor in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more: import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx)
Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is not in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the modules this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, please run: mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages echo 'import site; site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")' >> /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files, 125M, built in 21.4 minutes ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M ==> Installing therion ==> Downloading http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> make config-macosx ==> make ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
Rob Countess
Thanks I’ll check them out. On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Atkinson <andrew@wotcc.org.uk> wrote:
try
loads to look at there, although not all of them are Therion.
The one that I work mainly on
http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/CheddarCatchment/
Meets your 4 point below, don't think that there is any data that has come out of Walls or Onstation. Some of it has come from compass, for which I wrote a script, but it was quick and dirty, probably not much use to others.
Gough's and Reservoir have lots of different outputs from the same data, with overlaps. For the output without the full understanding of Therion, can be found here
http://www.ubss.org.uk/cave_survey_archive.php#Cheddar
For a couple of slightly easier datasets, without the fancy outputs (yet) there are
http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/WookeyCatchment/
http://cave-registry.org.uk/svn/Burrington/
All three are been actively worked on and with an SVN client you could even replay how they have been built up. I do not, however, follow the recommended way to arrange data, I have arranged it so every folder should be stand alone, I find that it has the advantage that people without the full understanding of Therion can work on the bits that they are interested in, probably has some disadvantages to putting the whole thing together, but I cannot say I have found it a problem
Andrew
On 23/04/15 20:57, Rob Countess wrote:
Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization. I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess. My data sets are
Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km) - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps)
White Ridge -7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS
Larch Mountain
2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS
I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too.
I am looking for an example data set that has
1) multiple caves in one caving area 2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series 3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves 4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map.
Thanks,
Rob Countess
PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to: rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com>
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Xavier Pennec <Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr <mailto:Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr>> wrote:
if all stations have different name in Compass and Walls, could they be put in a single survey name-space? However, I agree that this is not the cleanest way as it is not respecting the structure of surveys that was previously defined.
Xavier
Le 22/04/2015 13:31, Martin Sluka a écrit :
The problem of Compass and Walls data conversion is generate list of equate commands. In Compass and Walls it is simple, because there couldn’t be two stations with identical name. But in Therion it is not a rule. So you should to do it manually.
in survey12 which is above survey1 and survey2:
equal a101@survey1 a101@survey2
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 10:20, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com>>:
<Glory.zip>
This is from the Glory ‘ole caving area on Vancouver Island. I surveyed there from 1996 to 2007 in Arch Cave (10.5 km) Glory ‘ole (now 2.8 km) and Resonance (now 1.8 km). The area had been previously explored from 1980-1988 and some maps produced by hand. Much of the original data was lost. I resurveyed a few km in Arch cave and added 5 km but never completed a map due to the fact that loop closures were wreaking havoc with my walls and Illustrator attempts at a map. The original data in Arch was sketchy solo topofil survey. Resonance was extended by about 1km and an map produced but recently another half kilometre of passage has been added. Glory ‘ole was increased by about a kilometre but the main passage original survey 1.3 km needed to be resurveyed which led to no map. There are drafting leads in connection areas between the three caves. Two other caves Pellucidar and Tsulton Rising (cave dive) were managed by Pat Shaw, a cave diver.
I went off to medical school in 2007 and nobody picked up the torch as far as drawing maps. Now I’m back and we are at it again. I want Therion to keep the maps up to date with the exploration going forward.
The data is from 2004. I lost my 2007 copy due to 7 years of neglect and hard drive failure. I still have original notes of all exploration I was involved in but there are probably 3 km of passage that should be resurveyed.
I’m getting the hang of Therion and have got Resonance and Glory ‘ole centerline data converted over.
On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com <mailto:martinsluka@mac.com>> wrote:
Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data?
I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job.
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com>>:
Thanks for the help.
Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over.
One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff
Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.
Rob Countess
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org <mailto:wookey@wookware.org>> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk <mailto:20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install <http://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install>)"
[lots of dependency/package building]
? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Installed Mactex rebooted
Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)" ==> This script will install: /usr/local/bin/brew /usr/local/Library/... /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 ==> The following directories will be made group writable: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information.
To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort.
Password: ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew * [new branch] master -> origin/master HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test ==> Installation successful! ==> Next steps Run `brew help` to get started Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help Example usage: brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] brew install FORMULA... brew uninstall FORMULA... brew search [foo] brew list [FORMULA...] brew update brew upgrade [FORMULA...] brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...]
Troubleshooting: brew doctor brew install -vd FORMULA brew [--env | config]
Brewing: brew create [URL [--no-fetch]] brew edit [FORMULA...] open https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-...
Further help: man brew brew home Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update Already up-to-date. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew maintainers with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew for is working fine: please don't worry and just ignore them. Thanks!
Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable. This can happen if you "sudo make install" software that isn't managed by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale information to one of these directories, then the install will fail during the link step. You should probably `chown` them:
/usr/local/share/man/de /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science ==> Tapping Homebrew/science Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. Checking connectivity... done. Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60 files, 2.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: xz ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ==> Caveats In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's own libtool we have prepended a "g" so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize. ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2. ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1: 1442 files, 22M ==> Installing therion dependency: lcdf-typetools ==> Downloading http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104 --without-kpaths ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104: 29 files, 4.1M, built in 20 seconds ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847 files, 32M ==> Installing therion dependency: boost ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572 files, 439M ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz ==> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache -frv xtherion? /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448 files, 3.6M ==> Installing therion dependency: szip ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5 ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254 files, 3.8M ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk ==> Downloading http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR ==> make xtherion ==> make install ==> Caveats Even without the --with-qt option, you can display native VTK render windows from python. Alternatively, you can integrate the RenderWindowInteractor in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more: import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx)
Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is not in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the modules this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, please run: mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages echo 'import site; site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")'
/Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth ==> Summary ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files, 125M, built in 21.4 minutes ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M ==> Installing therion ==> Downloading http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> make config-macosx ==> make ==> make install ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
Rob Countess
Rob, there are several examples of data organizations, you may find. Another one is on wiki, published by Bruce. Anyway, you may use folders structure, divide data and output and configuration files. You may use index files to input in upper survey to generate maps of a system, for example index_th, index_th2, index_equate, index_join, … to divide and simplify data files. Another possibility is to define several layout files and switch among them, etc. Typical problem for newbies is they tune scraps and maps over one survey. When they want to connect two such data, they are in problem to rename station names in scraps and comment maps, etc. The data file is typically as: survey_1 (…) (…) centerline (…) endcenterline input survey_1.th2 #this means that survey_1 „knows“ about station names and scrap names used in .th2 file map survey_1.map (…) survey_1_scrap_1 survey_1_scrap_2 … endmap endsurvey Simple solution is to input to upper survey level only .th files and use therion’s path for scraps and maps. In this case you don’t need any additional rename or comment. survey_12 input survey_1.th input survey_2.th #define map in survey_12: map survey_12.map (…) survey_1.map@survey_1 survey_2.map@survey_2 endmap #another map map survey_12_dig.map (…) survey_1_scrap_1@survey_1 survey_2_scrap_1@survey_2 endmap endsurvey m.
24. 4. 2015 v 6:56, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
Thanks I’ll check them out.
On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Atkinson <andrew@wotcc.org.uk <mailto:andrew@wotcc.org.uk>> wrote:
try
http://cave-registry.org.uk/ <http://cave-registry.org.uk/>
loads to look at there, although not all of them are Therion.
The one that I work mainly on
http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/CheddarCatchment/ <http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/CheddarCatchment/>
Meets your 4 point below, don't think that there is any data that has come out of Walls or Onstation. Some of it has come from compass, for which I wrote a script, but it was quick and dirty, probably not much use to others.
Gough's and Reservoir have lots of different outputs from the same data, with overlaps. For the output without the full understanding of Therion, can be found here
http://www.ubss.org.uk/cave_survey_archive.php#Cheddar <http://www.ubss.org.uk/cave_survey_archive.php#Cheddar>
For a couple of slightly easier datasets, without the fancy outputs (yet) there are
http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/WookeyCatchment/ <http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/WookeyCatchment/>
http://cave-registry.org.uk/svn/Burrington/ <http://cave-registry.org.uk/svn/Burrington/>
All three are been actively worked on and with an SVN client you could even replay how they have been built up. I do not, however, follow the recommended way to arrange data, I have arranged it so every folder should be stand alone, I find that it has the advantage that people without the full understanding of Therion can work on the bits that they are interested in, probably has some disadvantages to putting the whole thing together, but I cannot say I have found it a problem
Andrew
On 23/04/15 20:57, Rob Countess wrote:
Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization. I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess. My data sets are
Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km) - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps)
White Ridge -7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS
Larch Mountain
2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS
I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too.
I am looking for an example data set that has
1) multiple caves in one caving area 2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series 3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves 4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map.
Thanks,
Rob Countess
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Xavier Pennec <Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr <mailto:Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr> <mailto:Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr <mailto:Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr>>> wrote:
if all stations have different name in Compass and Walls, could they be put in a single survey name-space? However, I agree that this is not the cleanest way as it is not respecting the structure of surveys that was previously defined.
Xavier
Le 22/04/2015 13:31, Martin Sluka a écrit :
The problem of Compass and Walls data conversion is generate list of equate commands. In Compass and Walls it is simple, because there couldn’t be two stations with identical name. But in Therion it is not a rule. So you should to do it manually.
in survey12 which is above survey1 and survey2:
equal a101@survey1 a101@survey2
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 10:20, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com> <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com>>>:
<Glory.zip>
This is from the Glory ‘ole caving area on Vancouver Island. I surveyed there from 1996 to 2007 in Arch Cave (10.5 km) Glory ‘ole (now 2.8 km) and Resonance (now 1.8 km). The area had been previously explored from 1980-1988 and some maps produced by hand. Much of the original data was lost. I resurveyed a few km in Arch cave and added 5 km but never completed a map due to the fact that loop closures were wreaking havoc with my walls and Illustrator attempts at a map. The original data in Arch was sketchy solo topofil survey. Resonance was extended by about 1km and an map produced but recently another half kilometre of passage has been added. Glory ‘ole was increased by about a kilometre but the main passage original survey 1.3 km needed to be resurveyed which led to no map. There are drafting leads in connection areas between the three caves. Two other caves Pellucidar and Tsulton Rising (cave dive) were managed by Pat Shaw, a cave diver.
I went off to medical school in 2007 and nobody picked up the torch as far as drawing maps. Now I’m back and we are at it again. I want Therion to keep the maps up to date with the exploration going forward.
The data is from 2004. I lost my 2007 copy due to 7 years of neglect and hard drive failure. I still have original notes of all exploration I was involved in but there are probably 3 km of passage that should be resurveyed.
I’m getting the hang of Therion and have got Resonance and Glory ‘ole centerline data converted over.
On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com <mailto:martinsluka@mac.com> <mailto:martinsluka@mac.com <mailto:martinsluka@mac.com>>> wrote:
Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data?
I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job.
m.s.
19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com> <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com <mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com>>>:
Thanks for the help.
Generated my first pdf plan and profile with UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole and hopefully later this summer we will connect them all to make it at least Canada’s second longest Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are still using On Station. I think the speed and flexibility of output with win them over.
One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff and bypassed the error but with sub par final map output - it says von.Vorkampff
Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.
Rob Countess
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100 From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org <mailto:wookey@wookware.org> <mailto:wookey@wookware.org <mailto:wookey@wookware.org>>> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first time user To: therion@speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> <mailto:therion@speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> Message-ID: <20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk <mailto:20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk> <mailto:20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk <mailto:20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:
Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https:// raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install <http://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install> <http://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install <http://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install>>)"
[lots of dependency/package building]
? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6 files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion
This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago binary linux distributions were invented, to replace the previous painful process of users downloading code and tools and dependencies and building them all until they got some software working. 'brew' attempts to automate this process but there are still a lot of ways it can go wrong.
Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system someone could make therion packages for?
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
I'm sure we can get you going. We do have several mac users here, but I'm not one so can't really provide much help.
Can you get a command prompt? Can you run 'xtherion' from there? That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.
'therion' is the compiler tool that processes the data. What happens if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print out a version? or 'therion --print-init-file'?
If you can convert some of your (centreline) data (just using a text editor) you should be able process it using just 'therion'.
You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave sections.
Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion tool? I'm not aware of one.
Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/ <http://wookware.org/>
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Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX installation instructions on wiki
Installed Mactex rebooted
Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools. Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ [Restored] Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install <https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install>)" ==> This script will install: /usr/local/bin/brew /usr/local/Library/... /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1 ==> The following directories will be made group writable: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> The following directories will have their group set to admin: /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
Press RETURN to continue or any other key to abort ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1
WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss or the deletion of important system files. Please double-check your typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information.
To proceed, enter your password, or type Ctrl-C to abort.
Password: ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1 ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx /Library/Caches/Homebrew ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew... remote: Counting objects: 3533, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3387/3387), done. remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514 (delta 18), pack-reused 0 Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65 MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done. From https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew <https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew> * [new branch] master -> origin/master HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize and add test ==> Installation successful! ==> Next steps Run `brew help` to get started Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help Example usage: brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...] brew install FORMULA... brew uninstall FORMULA... brew search [foo] brew list [FORMULA...] brew update brew upgrade [FORMULA...] brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...]
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/usr/local/share/man/de /usr/local/share/man/de/man1 Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap homebrew/science ==> Tapping Homebrew/science Cloning into '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'... remote: Counting objects: 10005, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done. remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 9990 Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68 MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done. Checking connectivity... done. Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M) Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb <https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb> ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Installing dependencies for therion: libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot <https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot> ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17 files, 1.3M ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo <https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo> ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz ? 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Python modules have been installed and Homebrew's site-packages is not in your Python sys.path, so you will not be able to import the modules this formula installed. If you plan to develop with these modules, please run: mkdir -p /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages echo 'import site; site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")'
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A program named WISH opened and window named therion compiler. The Status bar at the bottom read ?User interface is not active. To activate it open and existing file or create a new one." When I try to open a file with either the Wish file|open or the folder button I am unable to open any files in the Demo data set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.
I am a first time user. Previously used On Station and the Walls. I had data for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling about 50 km of cave. I want to switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get the program to work then I?ll have to stick with Walls.
Rob Countess
Sorry, I forgot one think: exactly identical trick you may use in join section for IDs of objects: join survey_1_scrap_1_station_ID_12345@survey_1 survey_2_scrap_1_line_ID_2456:end m.s.
Sorry again! :) join survey_1_scrap_1_station_ID_12345@survey_1 survey_2_scrap_1_line_ID_2456@survey_2:end On Apr 24, 2015, at 09:24 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com> wrote:
Sorry, I forgot one think:
exactly identical trick you may use in join section for IDs of objects:
join survey_1_scrap_1_station_ID_12345@survey_1 survey_2_scrap_1_line_ID_2456:end
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Rob This is not a dataset, but it is an example of a file I have recently started placing at the top level of a survey project folder, to remind me and other users what conventions are used and preferred in a particular project. It might, indirectly, help you think about some of the considerations when starting a large project. See attached. Bruce _____ From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Rob Countess Sent: Friday, 24 April 2015 7:58 a.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5 Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization. I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess. My data sets are Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km) - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps) White Ridge -7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS Larch Mountain 2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too. I am looking for an example data set that has 1) multiple caves in one caving area 2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series 3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves 4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map. Thanks, Rob Countess PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to: rob.countess@gmail.com
Bruce, Again thanks for all your help. In your attachment you had some mention of where to put low-level map definitions. Could you explain the benefits of placing map definitions: 1) in the file outside of surfer/endsurvery 2) in the file inside of at and the start of survey/endsurvey 3) in separate file It seems like you've given this a lot of thought and would choose differently if you were starting out again and since I am just starting out I'd like to understand more. Rob The survey network and map hierarchies are then tied together in INDEX.th files [If I were to start my 'Therion life' again, I would place the map definitions inside of, and at the start of the survey-endsurvey block to promote ease of use and simpler map references in INDEX files. The above structure was intended to make maps independent of surveys (which is preferred), but I did not think it through – to achieve that we would have to have map definitions in separate files. Separate files would work OK, but would increase the number or size of files. At the time, we chose not to go this way. Another time, I might choose differently. Bruce] On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz> wrote:
Rob
This is not a dataset, but it is an example of a file I have recently started placing at the top level of a survey project folder, to remind me and other users what conventions are used and preferred in a particular project. It might, indirectly, help you think about some of the considerations when starting a large project.
See attached.
Bruce
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*From:* therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *Rob Countess *Sent:* Friday, 24 April 2015 7:58 a.m. *To:* List for Therion users *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5
Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization.
I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess.
My data sets are
Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area
-18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS
- longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km)
- Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave
- 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps)
White Ridge
-7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS
Larch Mountain
2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS
I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too.
I am looking for an example data set that has
1) multiple caves in one caving area
2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series
3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves
4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map.
Thanks,
Rob Countess
PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to:
rob.countess@gmail.com
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Rob .my experiences only, others may have other perspectives. And hope it is not exposing my ignorance. What I have found is that once you start generating a particular structure (and naming convention) it is very tedious to rearrange it later, because the names and relationships get embedded in all of the scraps, maps, index files etc, of which there are a lot. So, Low level map (ie first stage collection of scraps into usable maps) definitions; 1) in the survey.th file outside of survey/endsurvey: Was a feeble attempt to disassociate the maps (artistic and may have many forms) from the survey (predetermined by the survey that actually occurred in the field and 'fixed') when I was new to Therion. Pros: means related map and scraps are close at hand to the survey when you are drawing and later when you want to edit. No wondering where to find them. -Lends itself to self contained map and survey datasets in each cave folder. Cons: The map and survey may well be disassociated at the lowest level, but in a real cave system where multiple surveys are collected together in an INDEX file, they become dependant again, in that all references to the low-level maps need a suffix such as @cavename. So they are really dependant in a hybrid kind of way. -Is more complicated to figure out map references because of this. -It is harder to completely rearrange the structure of the maps, for example, as you explore the cave and see that better map arrangements are possible. 2) in the survey.th file inside of (and at the start of) survey/endsurvey: Pros: same as for 1) and. -Maps at the beginning because once the survey is entered you hardly ever change it much so the survey may as well be lower down in the file. During drawing and subsequent edits (as always happen in a growing cave survey and map) the low level maps can get quite a bit of tweaking. So beginning of file makes them quicker to find. -Results in a truly dependant map and survey set ('aesthetically' cleaner than item 1 above) -Easy to understand, fewer files. Cons: Maps and surveys are codependant. If once you have a hierarchical structure with your 43 caves entered and drawn, you want to produce a map with part of one cave system and part of another system, which may be physically close in the earth, but in the Therion dataset in completely different folder branches because of how the cave exploration evolved, you will end up with complicated map references. ie @upperseries.cave1.region4 -It is harder to completely rearrange the structure of the maps, for example, as you explore the cave and see that better map arrangements are possible. 3) not in the survey file at all: (I have never done it so a bit theoretical for me) Pros: Maps are independent of surveys (except for the obvious relationship due to the survey stations that tie the map to the survey). -Low level maps need not be limited by the extent of the low level surveys. Make your lowest level maps suit the natural form of the cave passages, not the extent of arbitrary survey trips. -I don't think you end up with any subscripts in your map references ie @cavename, so very much simpler (I could be wrong here) -You can dispense with 'low-level' map definitions altogether, and so for a moderate length (and simply laid out) cave, just put all your scraps in a single map definition for the cave (although this may not be very 'modular'). -Lends itself to hierarchical survey folders with all maps defined at the top project level (or cave level) folders if you want. Cons: Another type of file to manage and keep track of (ie surveys, maps, indexes, layouts etc) - although this should not be a problem with modern text editors. -Either almost twice as many files to manage (surveys and maps) or if low level maps are dispensed with, very long cumbersome to navigate map definition files. So, what I currently do is described in number 1). What would be an improvement is described in number 2) - thanks to Andrew Atkinson. What I would try if I was start my 'Therion Life' again is described in number 3). There is no reason why a dataset created along the lines of 1) or 2) cannot have a 'parallel' set of maps developed along the lines of 3) at a later date. It is just hard to find the motivation if you already have something that works! There is also the risk of confusing yourself with variations of maps that are similar to each other. Anyway, enough talk. I'll get in trouble for not working on my share of the map drawing. Bruce _____ From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Rob Countess Sent: Monday, 27 April 2015 10:30 a.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5 Bruce, Again thanks for all your help. In your attachment you had some mention of where to put low-level map definitions. Could you explain the benefits of placing map definitions: 1) in the file outside of survey/endsurvery 2) in the file inside of at and the start of survey/endsurvey 3) in separate file It seems like you've given this a lot of thought and would choose differently if you were starting out again and since I am just starting out I'd like to understand more. Rob The survey network and map hierarchies are then tied together in INDEX.th files [If I were to start my 'Therion life' again, I would place the map definitions inside of, and at the start of the survey-endsurvey block to promote ease of use and simpler map references in INDEX files. The above structure was intended to make maps independent of surveys (which is preferred), but I did not think it through - to achieve that we would have to have map definitions in separate files. Separate files would work OK, but would increase the number or size of files. At the time, we chose not to go this way. Another time, I might choose differently. Bruce] On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz> wrote: Rob This is not a dataset, but it is an example of a file I have recently started placing at the top level of a survey project folder, to remind me and other users what conventions are used and preferred in a particular project. It might, indirectly, help you think about some of the considerations when starting a large project. See attached. Bruce _____ From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Rob Countess Sent: Friday, 24 April 2015 7:58 a.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5 Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization. I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess. My data sets are Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km) - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps) White Ridge -7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS Larch Mountain 2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too. I am looking for an example data set that has 1) multiple caves in one caving area 2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series 3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves 4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map. Thanks, Rob Countess PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to: rob.countess@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
27. 4. 2015 v 5:42, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz>:
So, Low level map (ie first stage collection of scraps into usable maps) definitions;
1) in the survey.th <http://survey.th/> file outside of survey/endsurvey:
Bruce, I apologize myself, but I think this not the best idea. Either such a definitions of maps are inside of survey-endsurvey section of upper level. But in this case there is VERY difficult to change anything in the lowest level of survey-endsurvey and not to correct other informations connected with such a change. Therion uses „name spaces“ (or „branches“) where you may identify any object in such name space by the „path“ to it. So if you „tune" or „debug“ maps in the lowest level of survey-endsurvey structure, that one where are surveying data, maps definitions should be in this survey-endsurvey section. In second level of survey-endsurvey structure you „input" only .th files, not .th2 ones which are yet „inputed“ in the lowest level of survey-endsurvey section and as such by „inputing“ of .th file the input includes .th2 too. It has one VERY important advantage: I have to NEVER rename the stations from 1 to 1@survey1 if you call scraps from upper level of survey-endsurvey section. Instead you call scrap1@survey1 or map1@survey1 and all station names and map definitions stay unchanged. Any object of the lowest level (lines IDs, …) you may „call“ in such a way. m.s.
Yes, I think that is the conclusion I came to. Bruce _____ From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka Sent: Monday, 27 April 2015 6:47 p.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5 27. 4. 2015 v 5:42, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz>: So, Low level map (ie first stage collection of scraps into usable maps) definitions; 1) in the survey.th <http://survey.th/> file outside of survey/endsurvey: Bruce, I apologize myself, but I think this not the best idea. Either such a definitions of maps are inside of survey-endsurvey section of upper level. But in this case there is VERY difficult to change anything in the lowest level of survey-endsurvey and not to correct other informations connected with such a change. Therion uses "name spaces" (or "branches") where you may identify any object in such name space by the "path" to it. So if you "tune" or "debug" maps in the lowest level of survey-endsurvey structure, that one where are surveying data, maps definitions should be in this survey-endsurvey section. In second level of survey-endsurvey structure you "input" only .th files, not .th2 ones which are yet "inputed" in the lowest level of survey-endsurvey section and as such by "inputing" of .th file the input includes .th2 too. It has one VERY important advantage: I have to NEVER rename the stations from 1 to 1@survey1 if you call scraps from upper level of survey-endsurvey section. Instead you call scrap1@survey1 or map1@survey1 and all station names and map definitions stay unchanged. Any object of the lowest level (lines IDs, .) you may "call" in such a way. m.s.
Thanks for your insight, Vancouver Island and New Zealand are very similar. Most of our caves are highly accessible due to logging roads. In my main project most caves are less than 100m from a road. The land is mostly public crown land. Plus some bastard created a commercial backroads map book and marked the entrances to Glory 'ole Arch and Resonance. It sells 20000 copies and I thought there would be a massive influx but the truth is 99.99 percent of people don't want to cave. Thank god. The Vancouver Island Cave Exploration Group was an exclusive brotherhood, you had to be sponsored by a member in order to join. The idea was to protect the caves. I was caving 5 years on the Island, leading and organizing lots of exploration before I finally said, look sponsor me for christ sake. Sadly because the club was so exclusive, egos were bruised, splinter groups formed (and collapsed) and there were some ugly politics. The by product was that the pace of exploration drastically slowed down as old members got old and new cavers (Do you guys call them Ouigees (Weegees) too?) had a hard time making the transition to independent cave explorers. Anyway I totally understand the data shackles your fellow cagers have you wearing. As for data structure, I think I was heading for number 3 naturally but only because I never thought of 1 or 2. I will go with number 3 and let you know how it turns out. Since it may be beneficial to my learning, I may create a sample data set with my cave data and post it to the Therion wiki (long term goal though - probably not for months). I'll just hide the cave locations by commenting out the fixed stations. Joking. Ill just translate the coordinates to put the cave in the ocean. I've always like the idea of a "series" in bigger caves, i.e. a group of related passages that help divide the cave into neighbourhoods. For example Arch Cave has the Arch series (main entrance stream way), the Tunnel vision series (separate entrance larger "tributary" stream way, that follows a separate bedding plane/fault 50 m below the Arch Stream, the Triple Pots series (fossil upper level passages off Arch stream way vadose) The Fecal pot series (another parallel overlying stream), Mudfinger Series (large fossil series that eventually leads to two other separate streams. There are many others but these five I mention all overlap significantly in plan view. It would makes sense to produce stand alone maps of each series. I think I will go for a structure of 1) Caving Area Level- surface data, area maps 2) Cave Level- define entire cave maps from level 3 (is this possible or do i have to repeat definitions from level 4 data I'm confused since i haven't done it yet) I will probably want surface data here too. 3) Series Level - define series maps from scraps 4) Scrap level 5) Survey trip Level Anyway I'm going to play around and try to figure it out before I go too far in one direction. I still don't have a very good grasp on Therion. It seems kind of not fully object oriented. I pictured it as a bunch of building blocks (scraps and associated centrelines) that I could put together hierarchically and that I could easy pass parameters from one level to the other or change parameters of one branch or another. In Walls and On Station it was super easy to change the colour of centreline for 2D or 3D display in a hierarchical manner, just right click on the appropriate survey or folder (on Station) or Book (Walls). I used this a lot to visualize the cave. Eg make all newly surveyed passage pink, colour code passage by survey date, depth etc. With my limited understanding of Therion, I've not yet been able to do this. goes now it is hard to subdivide parameters of a map. It seems like there should be some commands for this. e.g. if survey = Arch then colour = blue, if team includes "Rob Countess" then colour = yellow, if flag = lead then colour = pink, if flag = drafting in then scrap/map = blue, elseif drafting out then scrap/map = red, elseif oscillating then scrap = yellow, else if scrap = black. Actually that last one would be a useful visualization, now I want to do that. It should be easy to set labels to hide if font <7 pt, In answer to your "why not walls": Well i really like some features of Walls. The blunder detection system is awesome. Worth porting your data to if you can write a script for it, I found so many blunders in the old data I inherited, backlight/foresight, clino +/-, decimal misplaced, etc. The round tripping with SVG drawing programs gets super complicated when you have many levels because each level has many levels (centreline, passage, passage detail, labels, symbols) it does't understand overlapping passages. If your old centreline data is shitty like mine ( some is one man survey trips with topofil and ESTIMATED clino!!) and you are closing loops with new exploration ( the cave went from 1 loop to hundreds) then overlapping passages move and you have to redraw tons of stuff. I just got frustrated. I want a program that associated one passage A with centreline A and adjust A properly regardless of what B C D E are doing. plus I'd keep making mistakes and putting shit in the wrong layer (easy when you have 30+ layers and ADHD) and having issues with grouping ungrouping and changing attributes. I don't know maybe there was a better way. I like Therions approach better - let the computer do it. I'll probably keep parallel databases Walls and Therion. If I keep my datafile consistent I could probably figure out a conversion script. But we shall see. Maybe if I learn enough Therion will be enough. Plus I like being a gatekeeper for my projects. You get to stay up to date and to on and to a degree direct whats going on in your pet projects. When I used On Station everybody knew how to use it. When I switched to walls only a few people knew how to use it. So Therion is, so far, absolutely the least user friendly cave mapping software around, but at least I know I won't have someone scooping my best leads since they can't decipher the data. (only half joking) The other main issue is lost data. I want to to fix this problem for the future. There are about 150 km of mapped cave passages on Vancouver Island and actual original survey notes or photocopies exist for 30-40 km. Perhaps from your point of view this is a good thing. Its interesting. I never thought of mapping a cave as destroying a future generation's chance to explore. I do get that though. I can remember going through my first virgin passage. It was just a short oxbow of a main passage that nobody bother to go through but i was thrilled. That said I hate resurveying or surveying something some asshole has scooped. I think of myself as saving future generations of cavers from having to waste time resurveying, by mapping and preserving the data. Its probably a moot point because technology already exists for handheld LIDAR so in the next few years we can just walk though the cave and produce a mm accuracy 3D model. I'm sure someone could write a program to produce 2D projections in standard UIS form from such accurate 3D data. See www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUEAz_naHHg This video makes me wonder why I'm still wasting time with compass clino and tape (no one has DistoX2 here yet, I'll probably get on this year) when I should just scoop for 3 years until I get a zebedee. But of course I HAVE to know how the passages relate and I'm no Stephen Bishop. Well I should stop procrastinating now, Rob On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz> wrote:
Rob
…my experiences only, others may have other perspectives. And hope it is not exposing my ignorance.
What I have found is that once you start generating a particular structure (and naming convention) it is very tedious to rearrange it later, because the names and relationships get embedded in all of the scraps, maps, index files etc, of which there are a lot.
*So, Low level map (ie first stage collection of scraps into usable maps) definitions;*
1) *in the survey.th <http://survey.th> file outside of survey/endsurvey:* Was a feeble attempt to disassociate the maps (artistic and may have many forms) from the survey (predetermined by the survey that actually occurred in the field and ‘fixed’) when I was new to Therion. *Pros:* means related map and scraps are close at hand to the survey when you are drawing and later when you want to edit. No wondering where to find them. -Lends itself to self contained map and survey datasets in each cave folder. *Cons:* The map and survey may well be disassociated at the lowest level, but in a real cave system where multiple surveys are collected together in an INDEX file, they become dependant again, in that all references to the low-level maps need a suffix such as @cavename. So they are really dependant in a hybrid kind of way. -Is more complicated to figure out map references because of this. -It is harder to completely rearrange the structure of the maps, for example, as you explore the cave and see that better map arrangements are possible.
2) *in the survey.th <http://survey.th> file inside of (and at the start of) survey/endsurvey:* *Pros:* same as for 1) and… -Maps at the beginning because once the survey is entered you hardly ever change it much so the survey may as well be lower down in the file. During drawing and subsequent edits (as always happen in a growing cave survey and map) the low level maps can get quite a bit of tweaking. So beginning of file makes them quicker to find. -Results in a truly dependant map and survey set (‘aesthetically’ cleaner than item 1 above) -Easy to understand, fewer files. *Cons:* Maps and surveys are codependant. If once you have a hierarchical structure with your 43 caves entered and drawn, you want to produce a map with part of one cave system and part of another system, which may be physically close in the earth, but in the Therion dataset in completely different folder branches because of how the cave exploration evolved, you will end up with complicated map references. ie @upperseries.cave1.region4 -It is harder to completely rearrange the structure of the maps, for example, as you explore the cave and see that better map arrangements are possible.
3) *not in the survey file at all:* (I have never done it so a bit theoretical for me) *Pros:* Maps are independent of surveys (except for the obvious relationship due to the survey stations that tie the map to the survey). -Low level maps need not be limited by the extent of the low level surveys. Make your lowest level maps suit the natural form of the cave passages, not the extent of arbitrary survey trips. -I don’t think you end up with any subscripts in your map references ie @cavename, so very much simpler (I could be wrong here) -You can dispense with ‘low-level’ map definitions altogether, and so for a moderate length (and simply laid out) cave, just put all your scraps in a single map definition for the cave (although this may not be very ‘modular’). -Lends itself to hierarchical *survey* folders with all *maps* defined at the top project level (or cave level) folders if you want. *Cons:* Another type of file to manage and keep track of (ie surveys, maps, indexes, layouts etc) – although this should not be a problem with modern text editors. -Either almost twice as many files to manage (surveys and maps) or if low level maps are dispensed with, very long cumbersome to navigate map definition files.
So, what I currently do is described in number 1).
What would be an improvement is described in number 2) – thanks to Andrew Atkinson.
What I would try if I was start my ‘Therion Life’ again is described in number 3).
There is no reason why a dataset created along the lines of 1) or 2) cannot have a ‘parallel’ set of maps developed along the lines of 3) at a later date. It is just hard to find the motivation if you already have something that works! There is also the risk of confusing yourself with variations of maps that are similar to each other.
Anyway, enough talk. I’ll get in trouble for not working on my share of the map drawing.
Bruce
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*From:* therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *Rob Countess *Sent:* Monday, 27 April 2015 10:30 a.m. *To:* List for Therion users *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5
Bruce,
Again thanks for all your help.
In your attachment you had some mention of where to put low-level map definitions. Could you explain the benefits of placing map definitions:
1) in the file outside of survey/endsurvery
2) in the file inside of at and the start of survey/endsurvey
3) in separate file
It seems like you've given this a lot of thought and would choose differently if you were starting out again and since I am just starting out I'd like to understand more.
Rob
The survey network and map hierarchies are then tied together in INDEX.th files
[If I were to start my 'Therion life' again, I would place the map definitions inside of, and at the start of the survey-endsurvey block to promote ease of use and simpler map references in INDEX files. The above structure was intended to make maps independent of surveys (which is preferred), but I did not think it through – to achieve that we would have to have map definitions in separate files. Separate files would work OK, but would increase the number or size of files. At the time, we chose not to go this way. Another time, I might choose differently. Bruce]
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz> wrote:
Rob
This is not a dataset, but it is an example of a file I have recently started placing at the top level of a survey project folder, to remind me and other users what conventions are used and preferred in a particular project. It might, indirectly, help you think about some of the considerations when starting a large project.
See attached.
Bruce
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*From:* therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *Rob Countess *Sent:* Friday, 24 April 2015 7:58 a.m. *To:* List for Therion users *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5
Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization.
I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess.
My data sets are
Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area
-18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS
- longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km)
- Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave
- 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps)
White Ridge
-7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS
Larch Mountain
2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS
I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too.
I am looking for an example data set that has
1) multiple caves in one caving area
2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series
3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves
4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map.
Thanks,
Rob Countess
PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to:
rob.countess@gmail.com
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As below.
I've always like the idea of a "series" in bigger caves, i.e. a group of related passages that help divide the cave into neighbourhoods.
Yes, we do that for larger caves.
I pictured it as a bunch of building blocks (scraps and associated centrelines) that I could put together hierarchically
I think it is.
and that I could easy pass parameters from one level to the other or change parameters of one branch or another. In Walls and On Station it was super easy to change the colour of centreline for 2D or 3D display in a hierarchical manner, just right click on the appropriate survey or folder (on Station) or Book (Walls). I used this a lot to visualize the cave. Eg make all newly surveyed passage pink, colour code passage by survey date [cannot], depth [can, for maps, not centreline] etc. With my limited understanding of Therion, I've not yet been able to do this. goes now it is hard to subdivide parameters of a map. It seems like there should be some commands for this. e.g. if survey = Arch then colour = blue, if team includes "Rob Countess" then colour = yellow, if flag = lead then colour = pink, if flag = drafting in then scrap/map = blue, elseif drafting out then scrap/map = red, elseif oscillating then scrap = yellow, else if scrap = black. Actually that last one would be a useful visualization, now I want to do that. It should be easy to set labels to hide if font <7 pt, [can do this but it is a hack]
Mostly I would say these are very hard to do with Therion, if not impossible (but I would very much like some of them). Think of Therion as 'still in development'. You might need to get into some serious coding. I get around it in a very limited kind of way by using multiple output formats at once. ie maps and models in pdf, lox and 3d (survex viewer). Therion output is produced by compiling what is effectively a batch of files, so you have to expect that it won't have the immediacy of interactive software.
In answer to your "why not walls": Well i really like some features of Walls. The blunder detection system is awesome.
From your description I can now see why not Walls. However I read about the blunder detection in Walls once, and was jealous.
Plus I like being a gatekeeper for my projects. You get to stay up to date and to on and to a degree direct whats going on in your pet projects. When I used On Station everybody knew how to use it. When I switched to walls only a few people knew how to use it.
Ooh! A control freak. All the great 'sole owner' survey projects in NZ stall eventually (20-30 yr timeframe) because of overload or lack of succession planning. The main reason I use something like Therion is that it allows simultaneous drawing by many people. Share the load! If you use version control, you can keep up with what others have done without necessarily doing any of the work.
So Therion is, so far, absolutely the least user friendly cave mapping software around,
Probably true I am afraid, but I am sure that could be solved if we get the right sort of instructions and examples. Bruce
I think my joke fell flat. Just to point out lest anyone think I'm an ASS (actually I have been a member of the Alberta Speleological Society), you left out the "only half joking" part of the control freak quote, it was tongue in cheek and I was making fun of myself for enjoying being the "boss". I'm not sure if you got that, Bruce. If you did great, then I didn't catch your sarcasm - it is so hard to do with email especially if you don't know your correspondent. It also left me realizing that a lot of people on this list are multilingual (awesome!) with english as a 2nd 3rd or 4th language and they might have missed that I was making fun of myself. I also meant to reply privately to you, Bruce, but I had two email programs running at the same time and answered the the wrong email from you. It's looking grim for me figuring out Therion if I can't even use email ;-) (I make jokes at my own expense until I get to know you and then its fair game.) There are literally less than a dozen active cave explorers on Vancouver Island and most of them could't be bothered to track down the old data let alone maintain it. There are more people who get out infrequently, survey small caves, but few who want to do longer exploration trips. I adopted the Glory 'ole caving area in 1998 after my first survey trip because nobody else cared. It was literally my first survey trip and I became the project leader because I was the only candidate. I had to track down retired cavers across the country to find 15 year old data. I resurveyed kms of passage and had to twist peoples arms to help. There's no motivation like "I've got a awesome lead but lets do some resurveying first." Again I hate resurveying. Martin Davis takes care of the Weymer Creek data (30 + km) and many other areas because well somebody has to. We both are open to other people helping out but so far no-one has stepped up. There's a guy who manages Holely Mountain but he really does't cave with anyone but his crew. There's a guy who started exploration in Thanksgiving cave - but all he has done is scoop passage in the past two years - no surveying. There are whole amazing caving areas that have been abandoned since the heyday of Vancouver Island caving in the 80's: Clayoquot Plateau, White Ridge, Thanksgiving Ridge, Benson River, Tahshish, Skull Lake, crying for someone to explore them and preserve their data. There were three caving related deaths in a period of a few years that probably contributed to the decline of the caving scene here. It sounds like you have a very different situation in New Zealand. I would love it if I could have the versioning system and multiple people drawing, that is why I picked Therion. I am hoping to facilitate a consortium of cave mappers tackling Vancouver Island caves. I heed your call to share the load Bruce. Plus I have three kids under 5, if that doesn't count for succession planning then I don't know what does ;-) Yeah, Therion is not user friendly, but I'll figure it out. There seems to be a great community supporting it. It is by far the most awesome program for keeping final maps up to date and like you said it is just developing. Once somebody develops a user interface that doesn't require coding skills its going to be amazing. Again thanks for all the help from the Therion community. Rob Countess, tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic, mini-tyrant of Vancouver Island Caves. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz> wrote:
As below…
I've always like the idea of a "series" in bigger caves, i.e. a group of related passages that help divide the cave into neighbourhoods.
Yes, we do that for larger caves.
I pictured it as a bunch of building blocks (scraps and associated centrelines) that I could put together hierarchically
I think it is.
and that I could easy pass parameters from one level to the other or change parameters of one branch or another. In Walls and On Station it was super easy to change the colour of centreline for 2D or 3D display in a hierarchical manner, just right click on the appropriate survey or folder (on Station) or Book (Walls). I used this a lot to visualize the cave. Eg make all newly surveyed passage pink, colour code passage by survey date [cannot], depth [can, for maps, not centreline] etc. With my limited understanding of Therion, I've not yet been able to do this. goes now it is hard to subdivide parameters of a map. It seems like there should be some commands for this. e.g. if survey = Arch then colour = blue, if team includes "Rob Countess" then colour = yellow, if flag = lead then colour = pink, if flag = drafting in then scrap/map = blue, elseif drafting out then scrap/map = red, elseif oscillating then scrap = yellow, else if scrap = black. Actually that last one would be a useful visualization, now I want to do that. It should be easy to set labels to hide if font <7 pt, [can do this but it is a hack]
Mostly I would say these are very hard to do with Therion, if not impossible (but I would very much like some of them). Think of Therion as ‘still in development’. You might need to get into some serious coding. I get around it in a very limited kind of way by using multiple output formats at once. ie maps and models in pdf, lox and 3d (survex viewer).
Therion output is produced by compiling what is effectively a batch of files, so you have to expect that it won’t have the immediacy of interactive software.
In answer to your "why not walls": Well i really like some features of Walls. The blunder detection system is awesome.
From your description I can now see why not Walls. However I read about the blunder detection in Walls once, and was jealous.
Plus I like being a gatekeeper for my projects. You get to stay up to date and to on and to a degree direct whats going on in your pet projects. When I used On Station everybody knew how to use it. When I switched to walls only a few people knew how to use it.
Ooh! A control freak. All the great ‘sole owner’ survey projects in NZ stall eventually (20-30 yr timeframe) because of overload or lack of succession planning. The main reason I use something like Therion is that it allows simultaneous drawing by many people. Share the load! If you use version control, you can keep up with what others have done without necessarily doing any of the work.
So Therion is, so far, absolutely the least user friendly cave mapping software around,
Probably true I am afraid, but I am sure that could be solved if we get the right sort of instructions and examples.
Bruce
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27. 4. 2015 v 10:27, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz>:
So Therion is, so far, absolutely the least user friendly cave mapping software around, Probably true I am afraid, but I am sure that could be solved if we get the right sort of instructions and examples.
Probably it is true, but from version 5.3.15 is possible to use right button of mouse on each object when drawing scraps. Not real menu, but something similar and with a kind of "artificial intelligence“ when you may see only options connected with particular object :) Another very useful feature is hide all scraps not edited. About scraps: try to make small scraps, don’t hesitate 2 m long scrap if necessary. Absolutely „must“ if you draw slope passages. When you use color by altitude on long scraps of sloppy passages it will destroy the correct visualization.If you define a correct scraps and maps order, therion will piece together this puzzle of all those small pieces alone. M.s.
It is possible for many things to draw the sketch with inkscape using this speleo extension. Then you only have to make minor corrections using Therrien editor, particularly areas. On Apr 27, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Martin Sluka <martinsluka@mac.com> wrote:
27. 4. 2015 v 10:27, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz>:
So Therion is, so far, absolutely the least user friendly cave mapping software around, Probably true I am afraid, but I am sure that could be solved if we get the right sort of instructions and examples.
Probably it is true, but from version 5.3.15 is possible to use right button of mouse on each object when drawing scraps. Not real menu, but something similar and with a kind of "artificial intelligence“ when you may see only options connected with particular object :) Another very useful feature is hide all scraps not edited. About scraps: try to make small scraps, don’t hesitate 2 m long scrap if necessary. Absolutely „must“ if you draw slope passages. When you use color by altitude on long scraps of sloppy passages it will destroy the correct visualization.If you define a correct scraps and maps order, therion will piece together this puzzle of all those small pieces alone. M.s. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
Martin Yes, those two features are quite nice, and yes, short scraps are a good idea. Rob Yes, I did strongly suspect your joke and built on it. A bit risky though as you say. Another thing to remember is that these posts never go away, and can easily be found for ever with the likes of Google. Bruce _____ From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka Sent: Monday, 27 April 2015 11:37 p.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5 27. 4. 2015 v 10:27, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz>:
So Therion is, so far, absolutely the least user friendly cave mapping software around,
Probably true I am afraid, but I am sure that could be solved if we get the right sort of instructions and examples. Probably it is true, but from version 5.3.15 is possible to use right button of mouse on each object when drawing scraps. Not real menu, but something similar and with a kind of "artificial intelligence" when you may see only options connected with particular object :) Another very useful feature is hide all scraps not edited. About scraps: try to make small scraps, don't hesitate 2 m long scrap if necessary. Absolutely "must" if you draw slope passages. When you use color by altitude on long scraps of sloppy passages it will destroy the correct visualization.If you define a correct scraps and maps order, therion will piece together this puzzle of all those small pieces alone. M.s.
Well I have enough data in Therion to draw a cave, starting with a single scrap. I’m having problems. 1) I can’t seem to reposition the xvi import image or other background images. Tried control clicking (Mac) 2) I cannot change the scale. When I go to the scale option menu on drawer window all the option are grey’d out and I cannot click any?? Any one have any Ideas Rob On Apr 26, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz> wrote:
Rob This is not a dataset, but it is an example of a file I have recently started placing at the top level of a survey project folder, to remind me and other users what conventions are used and preferred in a particular project. It might, indirectly, help you think about some of the considerations when starting a large project. See attached. Bruce
From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Rob Countess Sent: Friday, 24 April 2015 7:58 a.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5
Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization. I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess. My data sets are
Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km) - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps)
White Ridge -7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS
Larch Mountain
2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS
I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too.
I am looking for an example data set that has
1) multiple caves in one caving area 2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series 3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves 4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map.
Thanks,
Rob Countess
PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to: rob.countess@gmail.com
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There is this bug with greyed zoom menu on Mac you are right. Anyway you may use - and + buttons on top of map editor's window. Right click will move all the working space. If you need to place two or more images on correct position you should use and change their coordinates. M. Odesláno z iPhonu 28. 4. 2015 v 8:12, Robert Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com>:
Well I have enough data in Therion to draw a cave, starting with a single scrap. I’m having problems.
1) I can’t seem to reposition the xvi import image or other background images. Tried control clicking (Mac) 2) I cannot change the scale. When I go to the scale option menu on drawer window all the option are grey’d out and I cannot click any??
Any one have any Ideas
Rob
On Apr 26, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Bruce <bruce@tomo.co.nz> wrote:
Rob This is not a dataset, but it is an example of a file I have recently started placing at the top level of a survey project folder, to remind me and other users what conventions are used and preferred in a particular project. It might, indirectly, help you think about some of the considerations when starting a large project. See attached. Bruce
From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Rob Countess Sent: Friday, 24 April 2015 7:58 a.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5
Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization. I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess. My data sets are
Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km) - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps)
White Ridge -7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS
Larch Mountain
2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS
I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too.
I am looking for an example data set that has
1) multiple caves in one caving area 2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series 3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves 4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map.
Thanks,
Rob Countess
PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to: rob.countess@gmail.com
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