You should move the border of area and area togehter.

Thanks Martin, I had not figured that one out, might explain some of the troubles I had from time to time. I have put together a page that hopefully removes some of the mystery. http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=tips#drawing_orderhow_to_draw_symb ols_over_or_under_an_area Corrections welcome. Graham If you are using a water or sump area symbol that has an opaque background, then naturally anything under area will be hidden. I forget whether the default hatched symbols have an opaque background or not. The blue filled customizations on the wiki are opaque. I am not sure if Therion's transparency settings can help resolve that, unless you draw a separate scrap underneath the scrap with the area water/sump. Bruce