Dirk I have rerun one of my datasets which might be expected to show up your issues on my machine and it works as expected. I have brown cave centerline, purple stations and green surface centerline. The altitude .'s are all black as they are supposed to be. I did note what I thought was peculiar behaviour or at least gaps in functionality earlier this year. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.therion/2280/match=centreline I don't think I got a response. I notice; symbol-colour point surface-station [54 74 29] # green symbol-colour point cave-station [54 7 60] #purple have no effect. The stations seem to have a single point of control activated by; symbol-colour point station [54 7 60] #purple Just to clarify, your issue relates mainly to the altitude . label taking on the colour of the centerline, randomly, depending on it's position in the th2 file scrap definition? Bruce _____ From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Dirk Peinelt Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 2010 3:00 p.m. To: therion@speleo.sk Subject: [Therion] centreline color // altitude & debug label color Hello mailing list, when I color the centerline with . symbol-color group cave-centerline [100 0 0] symbol-colour point cave-station [100 0 0] symbol-colour point station-name [100 0 0] . in red, it will be show some altitude values from the walls and some scrap debug labels also in red. I've moved the wall objects with "altitude ." to the end of the scrap manually and the altitude values are black now. But the scrap debug label are still in red. Any ideas? //dp W7 / 64bit / Therion V5.3.6