Someone talked to me last night who spent all weekend trying to build therion and dependencies from source on their ubuntu machine (and eventually buggered it all up) when they should just have done 'apt-get install therion' and it would have been working in under a minute. They asked that it be made clearer on the website that this is what they should have done. I just had a look and it's not hopelessly unclear, but it could be improved a lot for the inexperienced. Ubuntu isn't mentioned at all for example, so adding this page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=therion would be helpful, along with a sentence or two saying 'don't try to build from source if you have these distros, just install the 'therion-viewer' 'therion-doc' and 'therion' packages' with your package manager. It would also be worth pointing out that the slackware packages are v0.3.9 so very out of date. Also I'm not sure if this was actually the problem, but I guess a new user would assume they wanted the 'stable version' and there is no Linux link for that so they might start with the source and enter a world of pain. Somehow re-arranging the page to show that the version (Debian/Ubuntu) users are expected to use is the one on the 'Debian' and 'Ubuntu' links. And 5.3.9 could probably be declared stable about now too I suspect. Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM http://wookware.org/