Andrew Atkinson proposed a solution in November last year http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.therion/2853/match=outline+out A work around that is currently available would be to draw the scrap to suit pdf output, and use 'revise' before the export when the scrap is to be included in a model output. Bruce _____ From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2012 9:04 a.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] wall + loch You are right Marco, inner outline should not touch the wall. It would be better to have this pit as outer outline and have wall oposite to it with "-outline none" specification. But then it will not look good in 3D. Unless there will be separate outline for 3D and for 2D supported, this situation will be difficult to solve. Best regards, S.