Thank you for the feedback! This is very helpful, and I think each one could be a new issue on GitHub, where it can be properly discussed. You actually can already unlink Bézier handles from each other, by pressing Alt (or Option) and dragging the handle. This is only available in the Detail select tool, because line editing features are supposed to be handled by Detail select, while you can draw lines with both Draw and Bézier tools. This might be confusing coming from XTherion, but I stand by this design decision. The Alt key is not very well documented, you can find it here: https://github.com/daem-on/wtherion/wiki/Tools%20reference#detail-select which is the partially outdated documentation. You can view all keybinds and edit them in the Keybind editor in the menu, but unfortunately Escape is a special case and cannot be bound. You can press Enter to end a Bézier line, or switch to another tool to do it automatically. (Keybinds are also not persisted yet) You are right that the undo snapshots do not happen often enough, I was concerned about performance because it's a very simple undo implementation, it stores a snapshot of the entire project in memory for each operation. In the future I might make optimisations, but right now I could just add more snapshots, and also a way to restore which object was being edited at that time. You can view the undo stack in the History panel, and see which operations are not being saved. Snapping is already a feature request from over a year ago, and it's harder to do than in XTherion, since here you can move multiple segments, entire objects, or multiple objects at the same time. I don't really know how that would work, I imagine this would only be implemented for single segment selection with Detail select. You can discuss this here: https://github.com/daem-on/wtherion/issues/22 There was a zoom indicator in the original vector editor and I didn't think it was worth the screen space, but it's easy to implement. I don't think the scale you draw at in wtherion is very important, since you can, at any point, select all objects and scale them together by an arbitrary factor (hold Shift for keeping proportions). But it is possible to add a scaling option somewhere, there's just no place to add it currently, since wtherion Configuration would affect every project and projects have no settings of their own. As for the symbol set, the previews in the type list and the "Custom rendering" feature are all purely informative, if you're working with a different symbol set you can just turn them off or ignore them. If I understand correctly, this is not a concern in XTherion because it doesn't tell you anything about the symbols, you can get basically the same experience in wtherion. Once again, thank you, I hope this will lead to many improvements. Csongor Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> ezt írta (időpont: 2024. ápr. 17., Sze, 11:14):
Some great changes since I last saw it! The response is really fast.
A few things that have thrown me off, all of which are because the work is not finished, so please take them only as a "it would be nice to keep this in mind for the future".
Bézier curves are very limited. I cannot make an unbalanced curve point with a long smoothing arm on one side and short on the other (something I do all the time). I also cannot make the points have arms pointing in different directions than opposite each other (something else I have had to do a number of times, untick the "smooth" box for a line point in XTherion).
Ending Bézier curves is not obvious. Esc does nothing. Very few keyboard shortcuts seem to exist.
Undo is not helpful for points within a line. It just undoes the whole line. I clicked on a control point in a Bézier curve thinking it might give me a menu to alter the drag handles, but instead it deleted the point. I did not expect that and definitely did not want it. No way to get it back that I could find. XTherion may occasionally screw up its undo stack, but the undo functionality there is superb, because it seems to remember every little thing that you did (until it eventually screws up and throws an error).
Create a Bézier line, right click and use other-bezier.menu.finish to end it. Click to start a new line. Ctrl+Z and *both* lines disappear.
It doesn't seem to snap points to each other, or if it does, it doesn't have any way to show that it did. In XTherion, you can make lines share the same point, so they are guaranteed to be warped together, and not produce tiny overlaps. You can also move individual points if you got them wrong, and make them snap to each other.
It is not obvious that you can zoom (Ctrl+mousewheel). Some kind of zoom indicator would be good.
Line thickness is preset. You cannot set what the rendering scale will be, which means it looks more cluttered than it will be when rendered.
In future, it would be nice to be able to set the symbol set, especially for things like ceiling steps which are reversed in some of them, which makes it very hard to know which direction they will end up facing in the final render.
I assume that all of these are just because it's a work in progress, and the progress is good enough that you're getting this kind of report :) _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion