Thanks Stacho I think you are pointing me in the direction of answering my second question; redefinition of each type of point that I might be interested in. ie p_sink, p_doline, p_entrance. (Admittedly I have not delved into the code to see how it currently works, and I should perhaps educate myself some more before asking.) Some of my points would have all three (or more) flags set (sink, doline, entrance). Are they just layered one above the other in the output? So there may be three copies of the (identical) text layered one above the other if each definition included printing of the text? When I have time I can look into the TMPDIR outputs and perhaps figure it out. Anyway I digress. My most pressing need and interest is (the first question in my original post) adding the text output to fixed points that do not have any other flags set. The ones that show up in Loch as red circles that do not have doline or other flag set, but do not show up with labels included in the pdf output. Is there a p_fixed? Thanks Bruce _____ From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2011 10:48 p.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] symbol-show fixed points Well, it is quite complicated, but it is possible. When point symbol is exported from centerline, system _text attribute is set in metapost. To dipsplay label, use code code metapost def p_continuation(expr pos,theta,sc,al) = etc... shown in: http://therion.speleo.sk/samples.doc/60.html But you will need to redefine corresponding symbol (e.g. p_sink). In that code, you can also control, whether symbol and/or text should be displayed. Feel free to ask more, if this does not help you. Regards, S. On 7 February 2011 21:10, Bruce <dangle@tomo.co.nz> wrote: Hi All I've been trying to understand symbol-show and symbol-hide a little better as they relate to pdf outputs. How do I display the text associated with fixed points? I have some map objects defined for various caves in a large system. These are comprised of scrap drawings. I also have a map object with the minor surface features nearby, such as sinks, dolines, isolated entrances and significant navigational features such as fence posts or trees (for example). This is comprised of a survey only (mostly fixed points, and no scrap drawings) however and uses flags such as doline or sink, and most points have a text string associated ie. fix 15 2521640 6042938 581 10 10 30 station 15 "Concrete water trough" I would like to show the caves as outlines with all the rest of their symbology turned off, and the surface features with each of the points labelled with appropriate symbol and associated text. This is for an area map, at scales of say 1:5000 or 1:10,000 I can turn the cave symbols off with symbol-hide statements, and so far I think that is working out OK. However. -layout-symbol-show point flag:entrance \ -layout-symbol-show point flag:sink \ -layout-symbol-show point flag:spring \ -layout-symbol-show point flag:doline \ -layout-symbol-show point flag:dig \ The above layout statements cause the special entrance and sink etc symbols to be displayed, AND show the text string associated with the point. These are not displayed by default as far as I can tell, but these statements rectify that. -layout-symbol-show group all And the group all statement has pretty much the same effect in a more comprehensive and compact format. However none of the above enables me to display the text for my "Concrete water trough" example above. It is always just a cross with no text, or with '15' if debug station-names is on. It shows up in Loch, but not in pdfs. So, how do I display the text associated with fixed points? Is there a need for. -layout-symbol-show point fixed . or something similar? Also, sometimes I would like to display the point symbols (for the likes of the above flags) OR the text strings associated with the points, but not both at once. Is there a way of doing this? Thanks Bruce _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3433 - Release Date: 02/09/11