The xisting water shading sysmbol doesn't work at all well at small scales. The lines merge and I just get a black area for both open water and sumps. See http://wookware.org/mulu/terikan.pdf for an example of how bad it looks. We need to change the symbol so the lines get further apart at smaller scales, or perhaps make the default symbol just 'blue', as blue water makes a lot of sense. Can I do that? Not sure what to do for sumps in that case. darker blue? Changing the hatch-spacing with scale might be difficult. But if I just know how to to change it, then I can presumably redefine the symbol in my overall layout file which would have the desired effect. How do I change the water symbol? Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel +44 (0) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://wookware.org/