Hi Pavel It might be difficult for me to get device to test before buying, so I just want to clarify the significance of this issue that you mentioned... "it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of water, even small ones are registered and making some effect on screen". You are using it a lot, as you mention, and I assume that you are using the device underground. Therefore I assume that from time to time water droplets, wet mud and sand on the display are inevitable. It happens for me all the time, and I wipe with my hand, lick the display clean (yuk), or wash it in a stream or from my water bottle. * Does this scenario make the X8 unusable for drawing and typing, or just mildly annoying? * What about wiping it with a cloth after washing it. Does that fix it? (I have a non-caving device, that once wet, needs to be removed from the humid environment completely before the display will respond correctly - drying with a non-absorbent cloth is not sufficient - I want to make sure the X8 is not like this). Regards Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton via Therion Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 18:02 To: 'List for Therion users' <therion@speleo.sk> Cc: Bruce Mutton <bruce@tomo.co.nz> Subject: [Therion] Nautiz X8 Thanks for the insights Pavel. I can see those side buttons are in exactly the wrong place. I too would be after the Windows version, I understand the Windows ones can run Android, but not vice versa. So before proceeding I will check PocketTopo speed, stylus and water response. All our caves are such that devices are constantly wet and muddy while surveying. That the Nautiz display responds badly to water surprizes me, as our Trimble Recons have never responded to water (except once when swimming), and that assumption is the reason I am looking at them. Regards Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Therion < <mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk> therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Pavel Herich via Therion Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:18 To: List for Therion users < <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> therion@speleo.sk> Cc: Pavel Herich < <mailto:herich@speleodd.sk> herich@speleodd.sk> Subject: Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8 Hello, i´m using it for more than two years now, 3 to 15 times per month. My device is built on windows, so there is PocketTopo installed. For me it works great, strong battery, quite big screen, I use to clean it just directly under the flowing water. But on the other hand, surprisingly PocketTopo turned out to run significantly slower than on the previous, old and cheap PDA (means menu reactions, context menu calling and so; it doesn´t affect bleutooth connection or any other core functionalities - anyway it could be just some settings error). Then, I had to replace stylus, which was very wide and not draw friendly, instead I use thin stylus from old PDA (metal core), which doesn´t works perfectly, but it´s much better to work with. As well, the screen is not so precise for drawing than on my old PDA, partly perhaps because of bigger screen, but I think the technology has been changed (you can use only plastic, thin protection of the screen to be able to use old and precise stylus). Also, the two buttons (arrows) on the left side of the device I found very annoying - there are right there, where one would hold the device, they manage volume, which is very necessary to work with inside the cave...; I will try to seal them once. And last thing, it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of water, even small ones are registered and making some effect on screen. So that´s all troubles I noticed, otherwise you can count with this device anywhere. But to use it just to draw a raw sketch in PocketTopo or Topodroid, it´s bit expensive (f.e. DigiTerra explorer - basic GIS software can be instaled). Pavel Dňa 2018-10-31 19:06 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):
Good Morning.
Does anyone have experience with these?
Nautiz X8
https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=tecspec[1]
http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html [2]
https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/nautiz-x8-...
Bruce