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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi all, an update.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>On updating to version 6.4.0 (2026-05-07), Therion no longer has any lag on compile on my Windows 11 device.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Xavier<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I wonder if <a href="https://github.com/rsevero/mapiah">Mapiah</a> might compile and open th2 files faster? Overall I have found the compiler to have better workflow and may be faster than XTherion. I have a 3500 line th2 file that takes 7 sec to load in XTherion. Loading in Mapiah seems instantaneous. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Xavier Pennec<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 20 February 2026 22:31<br><b>To:</b> therion@speleo.sk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Therion runtime cmd window (+ th2 display) lag on compile with Windows 11<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Bruce,<br><br>I also observed this lag when my computer was updated to Windows 11. For me there is a 6 seconds lag to open the cmd window, but also a 6 seconds lag at the end when the cmd window is closed and Xtherion reads the output to display it in its interface. I believe that I was not even seing the cmd window before with windows 10 (but I can't go back to check). <br><br>However, my main problem is the huge delay (which can be of several minutes) for xtherion to display a large th2 file : it take 75 seconds to display a th2 of 2500 lines of text (that is 538 commands). During that time, xtherion says "Processing commands ...", the advancement bar is progressing at the beginning and then the xtherion freezes (not always at the same percentage) and is not responding to anything, until it finishes eventually. Moving one object from one scrap to another also sometimes takes several seconds (in the current example about 5 seconds, but I have broken my th2 file in several pieces because it was impossible to edit the complete map with all scraps when it was taking 30 seconds to a minute for a single move !). <br> <br>I also tried to get back to earlier versions of therion without any improvement (I am currently running xtherion 6.3.4 (2025-04-08)). I was not really able to figure out what was the source of these changes, except that is happened after the update from windows 10 to 11. <br><br>Xavier<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Le 20/02/2026 à 09:32, <a href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz">bruce@tomo.co.nz</a> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Interesting Yann…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thinking I was imagining this, I opened up my VirtualBox VM copy of my old device running Windows 10.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This VM is poorly configured and typically runs at a glacial pace. Never the less, the lag between clicking compile and the cmd window opening is consistently less than 1 second, more like 0.5 seconds.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is running XTherion 6.3.4+1f7444ab (2025-08-12).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=118 height=141 style='width:1.2291in;height:1.4722in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01DCDF8B.AF1A0B00"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What could it be that causes a 6 s compile delay on a fast Windows 11 device versus a 0.5 s lag on a 10-year-old average Windows 10 device (whether physical or virtual)?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bruce</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Therion <a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk"><therion-bounces@speleo.sk></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Yann Gardère<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 February 2026 07:56<br><b>To:</b> List for Therion users <a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk"><therion@speleo.sk></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Therion runtime cmd window lag on compile with Windows 11</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>hi,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Unfortunately, I’ve always observed this phenomenon on Windows (after 5 years of use), whereas when using Linux (Debian if I remember correctly) on the same PC, it’s like night and day for generation. I don’t have a solution, just my ux<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yann<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Le mer. 18 févr. 2026 à 19:48, <<a href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz">bruce@tomo.co.nz</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0mm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Does anyone notice a long delay after pressing the compile button in XTherion, before the Therion cmd window starts echoing processing progress?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Any suggestions as to cause and possible solutions?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Interested in setups that do and do not exhibit this behaviour.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> Around October last year I swapped out my aging Win10 device for a fast new Win11 device.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Soon after I noticed that XTherion would ‘hang’ for 5 – 7 seconds before opening the cmd window that echos Therion’s progress through the thconf process.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It was around the time that changes were being made to the behaviour of the cmd window, circa 6.3.3+ and I loosely attributed the lag in processing to that. Especially since otherwise Therion would process the thconfigs 2x to 10x faster than with my old device.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’ve recently being editing projects and needing to compile then every 15 - 30 seconds. The 6 s lag has become tiresome, especially for small runs that otherwise take less than 1 s!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thinking might be a change in Therion I just installed versions back as far as 6.0.5 from around February 2022. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The problem persisted so I conclude the lag is due to Win11 or something to do with my current device, and not due to Therion.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> I’ve had a browse through Windows Security Smart Application Control and Reputation-based Protection, and disabling likely settings has had no impact. I’ve tried disabling Virus and Threat Protection settings real-time protection and tamper protection and also no change.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> Bruce<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>