<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">charles ghomidh is dead, dont send messages anymore.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Josette Ghommidh, his widow<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 21 juin 2024 à 08:22, Bruce Mutton <<a href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz" class="">bruce@tomo.co.nz</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Paul<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This is a known issue with PDF viewers, not so much with Therion.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Have a look at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/contrib:externalviewers#viewers_for_therion_outputs_not_part_of_therion_package" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/contrib:externalviewers#viewers_for_therion_outputs_not_part_of_therion_package</a>, particularly the bit about ‘transparency knockout’ and the examples lower down the page.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Just something to be aware you don’t have control over when you are drawing!<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Bruce<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Therion <<a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Paul Rowe<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 21 June 2024 15:33<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List for Therion users <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">therion@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Therion] Visibility of underlying objects in PDF viewers<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm mostly using the Sumatra PDF viewer to open my Therion PDF outputs as it doesn't lock the PDF file when it's open and you can then keep updating the map without closing / opening the PDF output each time.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">However, I've noticed that Sumatra PDF doesn't seem to hide underlying objects in the final view, while some other PDF viewers like Acrobat do. Has anyone else noted this? I wasn't sure if it was a quirk in how the PDF is constructed by Therion or whether the issue is in Sumatra.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Example passage with 'area' of debris using "-place bottom", with overlapping closed circles of larger hand-sketched boulders using "-place top".<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sumatra view<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><img border="0" id="Picture_x0020_1" style="" class="" apple-inline="yes" src="cid:image001.png@01DAC407.FEFC3E50"><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Acrobat view:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><img border="0" id="Picture_x0020_2" style="" class="" apple-inline="yes" width="357" height="164" src="cid:image002.png@01DAC407.FEFC3E50"><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm hoping this is something I can fix on the Therion side as end users of the PDF can end up with a map that's difficult to read if they're using some PDF viewers. The built-in PDF viewer in Firefox and Chrome has the same issue.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cheers,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Paul<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Therion mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:Therion@speleo.sk" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline; font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Therion@speleo.sk</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline; font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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