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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>[Found this sitting in my drafts folder from early November]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Interesting.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>All these years I’ve been thinking at cross-purposes, and assumed that the Foxit and Sumatra rendering (See <a href="https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/contrib:externalviewers#examples_of_rendering_differences_between_pdf_viewers">Viewers for Therion Outputs</a> ) was closest to the intended rendering, and that Adobe Reader was doing it wrong. I had thought the poor implementation referred to was this:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=116 height=112 style='width:1.2083in;height:1.1666in' id="Picture_x0020_5" src="cid:image009.png@01D7D216.9402BD80">or this <img border=0 width=145 height=105 style='width:1.5069in;height:1.0902in' id="Picture_x0020_7" src="cid:image004.png@01D7DA05.B4BE9700"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>…whereby the water and underlying rocks show through the large rock, such as with Foxit. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I had thought the more intense (or doubled?) colour within the likes of rocks and flowstone areas was the intended effect. For me the Adobe rendering appears flat and boring.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Rereading the wiki and linked pages, I now see that I was wrong.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Personally I much prefer the look of maps with the more intense colour within rocks etc as rendered by Foxit, the only downside being that underlying objects within the same passage/scrap are not completely hidden.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>For me, the Adobe rendering would be ideal if the colours were doubled up in the rocks, ie similar to the image on the left (from the wiki) but with ‘double-white’ rocks. In the case of colour-fg white the rocks would obscure the passage below slightly more than the surrounding open passage.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=547 height=228 style='width:5.7013in;height:2.375in' id="Picture_x0020_6" src="cid:image006.png@01D7DA05.B4BE9700"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>What do other people prefer?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bruce<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Therion <</span><a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk"><span lang=EN-US>therion-bounces@speleo.sk</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Budaj<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 5 November 2021 06:45<br><b>To:</b> List for Therion users <</span><a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk"><span lang=EN-US>therion@speleo.sk</span></a><span lang=EN-US>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Colour map-fg altitude quick shading breaks object colour fills<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>the expected colouring in both modes is like in the first picture (smooth shading = quick). Although some PDF viewers display rocks etc. in a colour slightly different from the scrap background, that's caused by their incomplete implementation of the transparency knockout groups.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Try opening the second map in the Adobe Reader to check the colour of rocks, it should be similar to the first screenshot.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Martin<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 9:17 AM Bruce Mutton <<a href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz">bruce@tomo.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello Forum<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Just noticed something missing on a few of my maps.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Looks like:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> colour map-fg altitude</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> smooth-shading quick # or default</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>disables the colour filling of objects like rocks and area flowstone.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Eg <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img border=0 width=352 height=145 style='width:3.6666in;height:1.5069in' id="gmail-m_426085498768754067Picture_x0020_11" src="cid:image008.png@01D7DA05.B4BE9700"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img border=0 width=357 height=96 style='width:3.7222in;height:1.0in' id="gmail-m_426085498768754067Picture_x0020_10" src="cid:image016.jpg@01D7DA05.B4BE9700"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If I turn off <span style='font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>smooth-shading</span> OR use a fixed colour or <span style='font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>scrap</span> or <span style='font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>topo-date</span> shading regime, then the objects are correctly filled.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Eg<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img border=0 width=371 height=169 style='width:3.8611in;height:1.7638in' id="gmail-m_426085498768754067Picture_x0020_8" src="cid:image017.png@01D7DA05.B4BE9700"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img border=0 width=372 height=171 style='width:3.875in;height:1.7847in' id="gmail-m_426085498768754067Picture_x0020_9" src="cid:image018.png@01D7DA05.B4BE9700"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So it looks like a bug with smooth-shading = quick.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Perhaps.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Therion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Therion@speleo.sk" target="_blank">Therion@speleo.sk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion" target="_blank">https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>