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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>As Tarquin mentioned, I have found that stopping the walls on both sides of the passage in a single scrap will upset kml generation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Maybe pictures are clearer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In the scenarios pictured below you need to create separate scraps each side of the gap. So in your example there should be at least three plan scraps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Personally I prefer much shorter scraps, I find 250 m to be very long, but other than making debugging a little harder, excessive scrap length/size should not be a cause of your problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><img width=221 height=175 style='width:2.3055in;height:1.8194in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image005.png@01D7367F.DA1C6740"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><img width=198 height=202 style='width:2.0625in;height:2.1041in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image006.png@01D7367F.DA1C6740"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Ross<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 20 April 2021 22:58<br><b>To:</b> 'List for Therion users' <therion@speleo.sk><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Need help producing scraps.kml without white blobs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dear Stacho, Bruce, Martin,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for your replies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The low hanging fruits have been picked already long time ago:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yellow ticks checked, outline parms checked, passage fills are displayed correctly in PDF.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Perhaps it displays differently in GoogleEarth compared to other GIS? (Have not yet used OpenGIS or ArcGIS).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think, Stacho is closest to a potential cause.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It appears to me that the code path for kml generation is different from the codepath for PDF generation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>and follows different heuristics.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>For example, kml generation seems to be agnostic of "outline" parameters and direction of yellow sticks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I produced subsections by selecting small maps for the output, the behaviour is the same, i.e., no scalability / interdependency problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I attach one of the scraps and the resulting map in kml.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I cannot easily extract a data sample for replay by you, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>but I'm happy to provide the complete data to anyone who is willing to dive into this problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As already said, a post-processing hint (replacing colours in the kml) would also help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, Michael.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Therion [<a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk">mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Stacho Mudrak<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 19. April 2021 19:25<br><b>Cc:</b> List for Therion users <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk">therion@speleo.sk</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Therion] Need help producing scraps.kml without white blobs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>I have found one issue with the current version of Google Earth - it was ignoring (not filling) polygons, where the last point was not equal to the first point.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>It is fixed in<a href="https://github.com/therion/therion/commit/18eca78edd9dab377a0aa585a61a273d81024afe"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;background:#F1F8FF'>18eca78</span></a>, but I am not sure, it if will fix your issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>S.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE>On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 16:44, Stacho Mudrak <<a href="mailto:lists@group-s.sk">lists@group-s.sk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>it looks to me like it is some kind of inner/outer ring problem. Are you able to isolate and post some minimal sample, where this problem happens? It would help a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Thanks, S.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE>On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 16:26, Michael Ross <<a href="mailto:knollesimage@t-online.de" target="_blank">knollesimage@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE>Hello there,<br><br>I "own" a fairly large dataset of a maze cave.<br>Producing PDF output works well,<br>but when producing kml using<br><br> export map -projection plan -output Scraps.kml<br><br>I get large white blobs where there should be transparency. See attachment.<br><br>First assumption was that Therion needs some help by marking certain walls "outline in".<br>But that didn't help.<br><br>Then I tried redrawing the walls of the affected passages to get long lines of walls rather than <br>concatenated short sections of walls, assuming that would help Therion to better understand.<br>Didn't help.<br><br>Anyone had this problem so far?<br><br>If there is a way to post-process the kml file to remove the white areas, that would also help.<br><br>Or any other hint to systematically track this down.<br><br>Kind Regards,<br>Michael<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Therion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Therion@speleo.sk" target="_blank">Therion@speleo.sk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion" target="_blank">https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>