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<div><br /></div><div>thank you very much for your explanations which are plausible. </div><div><br /></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br /></div><div>Roger</div>
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<div>Von: "Bruce Mutton" <<a href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz">bruce@tomo.co.nz</a>></div>
<div>An: "'List for Therion users'" <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk">therion@speleo.sk</a>></div>
<div>Gesendet: 17.04.2020 23:05:31</div>
<div>Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey</div><div><br /></div>
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Roger<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Your ‘artifacts’ are actually the passage lrud dimensions being plotted as instructed.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Here they are with a bit of colour. You see, there is your image, stations, short stubs of centreline, and solid trapezoid passage shape based on lrud.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img src="cid:image003.png@01d61560.0683c130" width="333" height="385" style="width:3.4652in;height:4.0069in" id="Picture_x0020_1" /><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">BTW, I do think the fact that the passage trapezoids, the background images, and the scrap drawings all plot in the same pdf layer is undesirable.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">The user viewing the output file cannot then isolate these components of the output, as they can with previews and surface images.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img src="cid:image005.png@01d61560.0683c130" width="363" height="364" style="width:3.7847in;height:3.7916in" id="Picture_x0020_5" /><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, back to Roger’s example.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">A tidy way to suppress the passage centreline trapezoids is to put a ‘walls off’ statement in your th file. ie<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> walls off # walls off will hide the lrud passage shading<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> data normal from to length compass clino<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> etc<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">And yes, I see now, symbol-hide group cave-centerline will cause an error, because there is then no scrap to draw (Therion must have at least a scrap or a centreline to draw – seems that scrap station points and images don’t count).<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Here is what happens if a random scrap passage wall is drawn and walls is off, and the centreline is not hidden.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">There is your image, stations, short stubs of centreline ONLY inside the scrap, and no solid trapezoid passage shape.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img src="cid:image009.png@01d61560.0683c130" width="337" height="369" style="width:3.5138in;height:3.8402in" id="Picture_x0020_2" /><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Now, if ‘symbol-hide group cave-centreline’ is invoked, it works perfectly, even though I appreciate it is not what you want.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Here is your image, no stations, no short stubs of centreline, and no solid trapezoid passage shape. But there IS the scrap passage drawing.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img src="cid:image012.png@01d61560.0683c130" width="350" height="402" style="width:3.6458in;height:4.1875in" id="Picture_x0020_4" /><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hope that helps.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Bruce<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Therion <<a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Schuster<br /><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 18 April 2020 07:12<br /><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk">therion@speleo.sk</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p><p>Hello cavers,<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p>finally I got it working and now I also can provide a complete example:<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p><a href="https://send.firefox.com/download/68dbfd56e60e2b2c/#iSkNt75QW2_8tIZeDCD9qQ"><https://send.firefox.com/download/68dbfd56e60e2b2c/#iSkNt75QW2_8tIZeDCD9qQ></a><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p>(link will expire in seven days).<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p>To avoid the white artifact (see file kolkhoehle_artifact.pdf) it is necessary <b>not</b> to hide the survey stations! As soon as you use either the attribute -visibility off or use symbol-hide point station in your layout you will have a white trapezoid on the final pdf map. Only hiding the survey line is possible. As long as the stations are visible the resulting map is fine (see kolkhoehle_ok.pdf). Btw. symbol-hide group cave-centerline causes an error.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p>Regards,<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><p>Roger<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Am 13.04.2020 um 11:20 schrieb Roger Schuster:<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Hello cavers, <o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">currently I try to work with some legacy survey which are the original survey data and the final map with scale bar but without marked stations. My intention is to geo-reference the existing map (i.e. attaching the entrance location to the UTM grid) and use it in a cave atlas of the area. I don't want to redraw the whole map in Therion. <o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I followed the directions given in the therion wiki and entered the survey data and the resulting model in Loch looks fine and plausible. After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I marked the location of the first survey station at the cave entrance and in the layout section of my thconfig I turned on sketch export. Unfortunately it doesn't work. The generated pdf only contains the map header (with wrong length and depth statistics btw!) and a short part of the first survey shot. I expect the whole scanned background image to be visible and in scale in the pdf. Honestly said I never got the "sketches on" working with any of my old and new maps. What I am doing wrong? Any pointer to the right direction is highly appreciated. <o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards and thanks in advance,<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Roger <o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br /><br /><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></pre><pre>Therion mailing list<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Therion@speleo.sk">Therion@speleo.sk</a><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion">https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion</a><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></pre></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>
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