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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Bruce.<br>
<br>
I have commented all the splays "extend ignore", and Therion is
doing now a good job, ignoring the <span id="result_box"
class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="">appropriate</span></span>
leg (extend ignore 83 92). All the splays "extend ignore" was
confusing the Therion compiler. <br>
<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""><br>
This data is an export from Topodroid, </span></span><span
id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="">that
incorporates the "extend ignore" command before the splays
shots. </span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text"
lang="en"><span class="">I will comment to Marco Corvi on the
problem.<br>
</span></span><br>
<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""><span
id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="">Bruce,
I had already read your excellent wiki about Extended
Elevation and the Marco Corvi</span></span></span></span><span
id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""><span
id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="">’s
altervista web pages on <a
href="http://marcocorvi.altervista.org/caving/tbe/m_04/m_044.htm"
class="urlextern"
title="http://marcocorvi.altervista.org/caving/tbe/m_04/m_044.htm"
rel="nofollow">extended elevations in relation to loops</a>,
but </span></span></span></span><span id="result_box"
class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""><span
id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""><span
id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span
class="">I had not managed to solve the problem.</span></span></span></span></span></span><br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Evaristo. <br>
<br>
El 06/06/2018 a las 21:53, Bruce Mutton via Therion escribió:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">Evaristo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">An
interesting situation. I have not tried to compile your
data, but notice you have extend ignore prior to each set of
splays.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I don’t
think extend ignore has any useful function with respect to
splays (but I am not sure).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
suspect what you have done is effectively follow ‘extend
ignore’ with ‘extend left’ without any non-splay legs in
between. Possibly a confusing situation for Therion. Have a
look at my understanding <a
href="https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/extend#summary_of_all_extend_options_for_survey_centrelines"
moz-do-not-send="true">here</a> (although it does not yet
consider splays at all, or inverse (backsight) legs
properly).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What
happens if you remove all the extend ignores prior to the
splay legs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Therion
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk"><therion-bounces@speleo.sk></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Evaristo
Quiroga via Therion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 7 June 2018 5:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk">therion@speleo.sk</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Evaristo Quiroga <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eqr@ecgracia.com"><eqr@ecgracia.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Therion] Conflict between "extend
ignore" command and inverse legs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I usually do my surveys doing inverse measures. I <span
lang="EN">go ahead by positioning the points, and doing the
measurements with the distoX2 looking back (inverse) and
finally do the splay measurements at that destination point.
My assistant is in origin point, and don't have survey
experience, is only putting the target in the anterior point
. With this I get all the data (leg and from and to splays)
to be able to draw the sketches. <br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN">You can look a example the data results:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> extend left<br>
82 81 10.47 147.7 1.4<br>
extend ignore<br>
82 . 0.53 230.7 1.2<br>
82 . 1.85 66.3 -6.5<br>
82 . 1.19 45.5 60.1<br>
82 . 0.65 300.5 -88.8<br>
82 . 2.76 105.7 -5.8<br>
82 . 4.54 127.2 -0.9<br>
82 . 5.86 132.4 -2.1<br>
82 . 1.52 182.2 -8.3<br>
82 . 4.45 156.5 -3.0<br>
82 . 2.62 20.4 -9.8<br>
82 . 2.39 311.0 -6.3<br>
82 . 3.95 324.1 -6.9<br>
extend left<br>
83 82 7.95 146.4 1.4<br>
extend ignore<br>
83 . 0.35 235.9 1.0<br>
83 . 1.87 38.5 -6.1<br>
83 . 0.94 5.9 76.3<br>
83 . 1.06 40.4 -80.9<br>
83 . 4.49 117.2 -5.0<br>
83 . 2.61 85.7 16.9<br>
83 . 2.87 107.9 -6.0<br>
83 . 2.98 154.2 -11.3<br>
83 . 3.94 148.4 -3.6<br>
83 . 5.92 127.1 -5.7<br>
83 . 3.67 327.8 -5.8<br>
83 . 4.40 300.2 -12.5<br>
83 . 2.65 334.7 -20.5<br>
83 . 5.62 132.6 3.5<br>
extend left<br>
84 83 8.40 132.5 3.5<br>
extend ignore<br>
84 . 1.39 215.1 23.4<br>
84 . 2.51 101.7 -0.8<br>
84 . 1.89 195.1 67.5<br>
84 . 2.00 100.7 -28.2<br>
84 . 3.16 118.1 -2.7<br>
84 . 4.68 149.7 1.0<br>
84 . 5.15 62.5 2.7<br>
84 . 2.12 33.9 -1.3<br>
83 . 4.99 250.9 -7.6<br>
extend left<br>
85 84 5.03 234.4 -6.3<br>
extend ignore<br>
85 . 2.56 261.5 -0.7<br>
85 . 1.34 276.4 31.0<br>
85 . 1.05 282.5 -62.6<br>
85 . 4.43 304.8 -1.1<br>
85 . 5.80 314.2 -1.4<br>
85 . 1.33 181.0 0.5<br>
extend left<br>
86 85 6.33 149.5 -2.0<br>
extend ignore<br>
86 . 1.19 252.8 -18.6<br>
86 . 2.85 85.3 3.7<br>
86 . 0.92 225.3 -84.7<br>
86 . 2.23 136.3 10.5<br>
86 . 3.96 135.4 -5.4<br>
86 . 3.83 143.8 -8.1<br>
86 . 2.25 203.4 -10.9<br>
86 . 3.50 186.7 -8.6<br>
extend left<br>
87 86 3.05 187.0 -8.7<br>
extend ignore<br>
87 . 2.59 223.7 -18.5<br>
87 . 1.09 32.0 -1.2<br>
87 . 1.67 183.2 59.1<br>
87 . 0.58 315.6 -83.5<br>
<br>
extend right<br>
88 87 7.46 330.8 -3.4<br>
extend ignore<br>
88 . 0.77 66.7 4.2<br>
88 . 0.47 257.5 -7.8<br>
88 . 2.56 326.1 74.5<br>
88 . 0.41 247.0 -80.9<br>
88 . 1.85 127.1 15.2<br>
88 . 0.96 104.7 4.6<br>
88 . 0.85 207.2 1.2<br>
88 . 4.20 343.3 -16.6<br>
extend right<br>
89 88 2.20 349.0 -20.5<br>
extend ignore<br>
89 . 0.95 43.1 -5.6<br>
89 . 0.72 62.1 82.7<br>
89 . 0.39 99.4 -77.6<br>
89 . 0.89 324.9 -26.4<br>
89 . 1.43 359.5 -23.5<br>
89 . 1.08 72.7 -9.7<br>
89 . 1.59 105.4 -3.8<br>
89 . 2.56 125.6 -5.7<br>
extend right<br>
90 89 1.39 300.3 -13.8<br>
extend ignore<br>
90 . 0.46 62.7 -3.4<br>
90 . 0.50 245.3 1.2<br>
90 . 0.48 246.5 70.4<br>
90 . 0.70 300.2 -82.3<br>
90 . 1.74 184.4 -12.0<br>
90 . 3.09 169.6 -9.1<br>
90 . 3.69 166.8 -8.2<br>
90 . 2.02 152.3 -17.2<br>
90 . 1.40 132.2 -19.0<br>
extend right<br>
91 90 5.71 340.7 6.0<br>
extend ignore<br>
91 . 0.96 37.0 2.2<br>
91 . 1.04 40.9 58.3<br>
91 . 0.29 34.5 -56.7<br>
91 . 1.48 338.9 -0.1<br>
91 . 0.99 331.4 2.8<br>
91 . 1.07 3.2 3.6<br>
91 . 3.51 345.8 0.1<br>
extend right<br>
92 91 2.04 305.9 4.0<br>
extend ignore<br>
92 . 1.47 305.9 -11.0<br>
92 . 1.06 301.4 45.1<br>
92 . 0.43 339.3 -76.8<br>
92 . 1.17 348.7 1.3<br>
92 . 0.56 16.6 -9.2<br>
92 . 0.57 270.9 -8.5<br>
92 . 1.99 270.1 -7.4<br>
92 . 1.56 230.3 -14.0<br>
extend right<br>
83 92 4.24 71.7 18.0 <br>
extend ignore 83 92<br>
<br>
<br>
extend left<br>
93 87 3.12 123.4 7.5<br>
extend ignore<br>
93 . 1.79 225.3 -3.2<br>
93 . 1.70 49.9 -3.0<br>
93 . 1.18 100.0 78.0<br>
93 . 3.21 169.9 -2.6<br>
93 . 2.09 88.5 -2.4<br>
93 . 2.36 14.0 -2.1<br>
93 . 3.78 347.3 1.9<br>
93 . 3.62 300.1 -2.1<br>
93 . 2.32 278.7 -3.8<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>In this data I have a loop. The main passage is:
82-83-84-85-86-87-93. And the secondary passage is:
87-88-89-90-91-92-83.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>When I compile the data and produce a XVI file, Therion is
making the secondary passage the main centerline, breaking the
main passage leg "87 93".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I have tried to break the secondary passage with "extend
ignore" commands and is unsuccessful. I also tried to rename
the connection station and make "equate" sentence, and also is
unsuccessful. I have also interchanged the from and to station
order. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I thinks is a problem with the inverse legs data and the
"extend ignore" command. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>To <span class="shorttext"><span lang="EN">avoid the problem
I rename the leg "83 92" to "83B 92" breaking the loop at
the secondary passage. To export the plan I put and
"equate 83 83B", and to export the extended profile I
comment this sentence. It works but it is a bit
cumbersome.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span class="shorttext"><span lang="EN">Someone has had
similar problems with the "extend ignore" commands and has
found some solution for its correct use?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span class="shorttext"><span lang="EN">Best regards,</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span class="shorttext"><span lang="EN">Evaristo</span></span><span
lang="EN"><br>
<br>
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