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Svein Grundstrøm did split the rest of the cave. Since he has a
routine
to create scraps/th2 with station numbers, he did that as well.
<br>
The files will still be large in Therion, due to the drawing. A
strong
computer is a good idea. But Svein can split the xvi into smaller
files
if you find it very troublesome.
<br>
There seems to be four "offset" passages. If yes, Svein can move
those
scraps (and xvi) into their correct positions, given the correct
connection points.
<br>
<br>
The main files are the xvi and th2, the rest is just to check that
it
works (I haven't cleaned everything in the config-file, there are
still
some peculiar things).
<br>
<br>
btw, we are impressed by how easy PocketTopo deals with
large files.
<p>Torstein Finnesand<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Den 26.05.2018 14.39, skrev Nick
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Yes another good idea to get around the big sketch problem,
thanks.<br>
The sketch is nice and detailed, the survey was done by a guy from
the UK. I think the cave is in the US. Hopefully I will be meeting
him soon to give a little survey and Therion tuition then maybe he
will do things differently next time. Apparently there were 16
8-10 hour trips to collect this data and he was panicing this data
would be no good which is why I offered help.<br>
It has been good learning for me too.<br>
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<div>The dirty solution of huge xvi sketch:
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<div class="">Open mountaineye.th2 file, wait and them carefully
create partial screenshots which you may use as backgrounds
for scraps. </div>
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<div class="">The default zoom of the .th2 file is set to 10 %,
which looks as good option.</div>
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<div class="">BTW very nice sketch!</div>
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<div class="">Martin</div>
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<div class="">23. 5. 2018 v 18:42, Nick Bairstow via
Therion <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">therion@speleo.sk</a>>:</div>
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<span class="">Yes that is an option I was going to
try but every xvi would as well as the shots and
splays for the smaller amount of centreline data
would still have the full large sketch. The huge
sketch is one of the problems.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
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<span class="">I would have to edit a copy of the
full sketch for each new smaller section of
centreline data in Pocket Topo which would mean
deleting hundreds of sketch lines on each copy
using a pda as I don’t think a file run in Pocket
Topo on a windows pc can be edited. I think it
would be doable but very time consuming and
confusing.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">
<span class="">I like Andrews option, I will have
ago at the coordinates.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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More simple could be divide .th file to several
smaller and generate particular .xvi files. <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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M. <br class="">
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Odesláno z iPhonu<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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23. 5. 2018 v 17:55, Andrew Atkinson via Therion
<<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">therion@speleo.sk</a>>:<o:p
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class="">
It would be perfectly possible to write a
script to split up the xvi, into rectangles
(with overlap) is the easiest, using only the
first point in each line, to make it simple. I
keep thinking I should it down and do it, but
I'm a bit rushed with other things at the
moment.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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sans-serif;">
Nick, if you can work out the co-ordinates
of say 6 rectangles (they can be different
sizes) with a reasonable overlap, I'm far
more likely to actually do the script,
however no promises.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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On Wed, 23 May 2018, 13:46 Henry.Bennett---
via Therion, <<a
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class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
class="" lang="EN-US">Hi Nick,</span></a><span
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span class="" lang="EN-US">Took a quick
look at this and it looks like you
have yet to go through and define the
survey stations in Therion. I suspect
this will push some of the data
outside of the canvas and Therion
doesn’t know how to deal with them.
My advice would be to go define each
station as a survey point and then
compile it. Since the scrap defined
is pretty small it would be cleaner to
simply start again and convert the top
file using topparser. Break the
scraps into sensible chunks.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span class="" lang="EN-US"> <o:p
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<span class="" lang="EN-US">The reason
it take so long to load is the size of
your xvi drawing file. This is down
to the whole cave being drawn on a
single PocketTopo file and unless you
can break that down I suspect you’ll
just have to live with that.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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Somebody has sent me a project folder
which contains one huge survey (6k+)
made with Pocket Topo. It seems they had
only partial knowledge on how to survey
a cave of this size and only limited
experience of Therion so the whole thing
is a bit weird. I said I would attempt
to sort it out. Andrew fixed one issue
with the data which has moved us forward
but my question now is how to proceed.<span
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class="">
If I compile I can get .3d and .lox
output which seems to work fine but the
pdf output fails with a load of
complaints. Looks like a size thing to
me but having never seen this before I’m
not sure.<span class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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To me the survey needs breaking up but
again I am not sure of the best way to
do this, can some of you clever chaps
have a look and possibly offer advise
please.<span class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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Be warned the th2 is difficult to handle
my machine takes 3-4 mins just to load
it and 2mins to refresh if I adjust the
zoom.<span class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
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The guys who collected the data spent an
awful long time doing so and are
obviously keen to use this data as
redoing the survey is not an option.<span
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It is quite an interesting problem and a
very good example of how not to do
things.<span class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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Any comments or involvement would be
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