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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Bruce, I seem to have missed this last year. I have read through your report and your stuff on the wiki several times and I think I now understand what I have been doing and why things have worked or not worked.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Applying this new knowledge will enable us to develop our dataset in a more controlled manner, I just wish I’d worked this out two years ago. What seemed simple at the time slowly becomes more complex as you add more stuff.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks to everyone for their input.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Therion [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Mutton via Therion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 02 March 2018 21:11<br>
<b>To:</b> 'List for Therion users' <therion@speleo.sk><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bruce Mutton <bruce@tomo.co.nz><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Therion] Error When Adding A new Cave to Master Index - Therion Theory<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">This may or may not help, but you have stumbled, in part, into a topic I explored back in July 2017 (if seems much longer than that), with mixed feedback!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/therion@speleo.sk/msg06555.html"><span lang="EN-NZ">https://www.mail-archive.com/therion@speleo.sk/msg06555.html</span></a><span lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">At the time I made some changes based on feedback received. I have not looked at it for a while, but have attached the file in its current state, with changes tracked.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">It is still a bit rough I’m sorry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ"> Therion <</span><a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Bairstow via Therion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 2 March 2018 11:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> List for Therion users <</span><a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">therion@speleo.sk</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nick Bairstow <</span><a href="mailto:Nick@pff.uk.com"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">Nick@pff.uk.com</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Error When Adding A new Cave to Master Index<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">OK as is normally the case with these things I spotted the error within five minutes of asking for help, but it has raised a another question.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My problem was quite simply I had no survey/end survey wrapper. I have been using this index file for over two years and never noticed however it has worked perfectly and produced what I needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I now ask why did the index.th compile OK with the other 18 surveys listed in it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only difference between the first 18 surveys and the last non-working one was that in each scrap of the 18 previous surveys I used the option -station-names “” “@surveyname”. I was shown this when I started learning Therion but never
really new why. When using this option to make any survey.th compile I have to make sure the map/endmap is outside the survey/endsurvey wrapper.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With the my latest survey file I did not use the scrap option and just went with the “normal way” with everything in survey.th within the survey/endsurvey and then the index .th failed due to having no survey/endsurvey wrapper.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Clearly I do not yet fully understand the process even though I can make things work, so lots more reading I think. Does anyone know of a good explanation somewhere, most thing I read I find a little confusing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also if someone would like to explain the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-station-names “” “@surveyname” bit I would be very grateful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect I’m not the only one to have struggled with this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the previous answers guys.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Therion [</span><a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Mutton via Therion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 March 2018 19:23<br>
<b>To:</b> 'List for Therion users' <</span><a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">therion@speleo.sk</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bruce Mutton <</span><a href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">bruce@tomo.co.nz</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Error When Adding A new Cave to Master Index<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">I’m guessing you have created a map that contains the survey only for your new cave, and a map which contains scraps or maps for your other caves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">I do this intentionally while I am drawing up a new piece of passage, then remove the survey map once I am finished.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ"> Therion <</span><a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Bairstow via Therion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 2 March 2018 7:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> List for Therion users <</span><a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">therion@speleo.sk</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nick Bairstow <</span><a href="mailto:Nick@pff.uk.com"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">Nick@pff.uk.com</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Therion] Error When Adding A new Cave to Master Index<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have just added a small cave to my main index .th. Everything compiles but the pdf shows the new cave as shots and splays not as the normal walls etc you would expect in a map. All other caves display correctly as intended.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Has anyone point out what I am doing wrong.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Nick</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">
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