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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Just a reminder, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As far as I know, the current installation files mess up your Windows registry and both the installation folders if you have an existing installation in the ‘all users’ area and then you install over that with ‘only for me’.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>If you have a previous installation on a Windows machine, and you want to keep all your customised settings (ie without uninstalling the existing installation first), select 'Install for all users', and NOT 'Install only for me'. Otherwise you'll need to manually hack the registry to unpick the carnage.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>I posted about this on 30May2017, but for some reason it does not show up in the Mail Archive. I’ll post it again in parallel with this message.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>I’ll put my vote in again for the simple tried and true ‘install for all users’. Aside from the big issues (registry carnage), you know your installation files and settings will always be in C:\Program Files…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>Bruce</span><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Therion [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michal Danko via Therion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 16 October 2017 8:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk><br><b>Cc:</b> Michal Danko <michal.danko@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>any news about installer without admin rights? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For my it would be very handy because i use sometimes company pc without admin...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>S pozdravom<br><br>Ing. Michal Danko<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Владимир Георгиев via Therion <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" target="_blank">therion@speleo.sk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I got your idea :)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder, not in Program files.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion user will have to install their own copy :)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Vlad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" target="_blank">therion@speleo.sk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user only.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Footleg<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" target="_blank">therion@speleo.sk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old installer too.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Vlad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" target="_blank">therion@speleo.sk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on each page to accept the default install under Program Files.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Footleg<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" target="_blank">therion@speleo.sk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It is outside of my area of expertise, however:<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>No 2 is OK by me.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make Therion workflow ‘comfortable’.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Therion [mailto:<a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk" target="_blank">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>???????? ???????? via Therion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US><br><b>To:</b> List for Therion users <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" target="_blank">therion@speleo.sk</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Cc:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Владимир Георгиев <<a href="mailto:vld.georgiev@gmail.com" target="_blank">vld.georgiev@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>About the installer problems...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind:<br>1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not prevent all possible problems though.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older installers worked and always installed in Program Files.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current folder.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:57.75pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Vladimir</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>