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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks Xavier, nice example files!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Oh dear, brain fade on my part. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Of course the <u>scrap</u> authors show up as cartographers or ‘drawn by’ in the pdf outputs. I use it successfully all the time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In the thread below I was associating ‘author’ with ‘<u>centreline</u> author’, and it is these that do not appear in any outputs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I added a centreline author to Xavier’s example, and that author did not appear in the Cartografía or Drawn by list in the output.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That is the correct behaviour, as the centreline author is not the cartographer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>However I think it should be an option to export the centreline author to all appropriate outputs, and for that matter the instruments as well, which I think is also not available via any outputs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Then maybe we could acknowledge all roles in the process;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>explo-team “Explorers”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>team “Surveyors”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>instrument compass “Compass identifiers” for example<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>instrument instruments “Distos” for example<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> etc<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>centreline author “Data Processors” ?or some other name<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>scrap author “Cartographers”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I just braved a sql output (it’s not really that hard) and added a couple of explorers, surveyors, centreline authors and scrap authors to Xaviers example.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Only the explorers and surveyors appear in there. No sign of the centreline or scrap authors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(Sorry Benedikt, I think I’ve highjacked your post)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Maybe there is a need for a list output for all people entered in Therion objects, and another one for all instruments entered in Therion centrelines?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Therion [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Xavier Robert via Therion<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> Therion <therion@speleo.sk><br><b>Cc:</b> Xavier Robert <xavier.robert@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] How to add authors of paper drawings, which is being digitized as therion scrap?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Bruce,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I just checked, and yes, this is working for me. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I send in attachement a complete exemple of what I use with a small and uninteresting cave. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is only 1 survey with 1 centerline. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>The centerline is defined by: centerline -title « Inca » (I have no author there)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>But I added different team and explo-team names<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is only 1 scrap, that is defined by:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>scrap incaXR1 -projection plan -author 2016 "Xavier Robert" -author 2017 "Test_author Robert » …<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As you can see in the *.thconfig, I also tweaked the headers. I didn’t touch anything about scraps’ authors for the header definition. However in the output pdf, I get (in spanish there, see pdf in the zip file) :<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>Exploración: Jean-Sébastien Moquet, Xavier Robert 2016<br>Espeleometría: Jean-Sébastien Moquet, Xavier Robert 2016<br>Cartografía: Test.author Robert, Xavier Robert 2016 – 2017<br>Club(s): Espeleo Club Andino (ECA), Groupe Spéléologique Vulcain <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If I do an export database -o data.sql, I do not find the authors of the drawing in the table (I am not used to work with SQL databases, I may be wrong in my export and/or reading…).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Xav<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Le 31 mars 2017 à 14:55, Bruce Mutton via Therion <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk">therion@speleo.sk</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Everyone different it seems! Does not matter so long as each drawing team uses the same conventions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>For me/the team I work in, we (potentially) have an 'author <date> <person>' entry for each of ;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>*.th centreline<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>'author <date> <person>'<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>File creation and data entry<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Data checking (maybe it is done)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subsequent significant edits<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>*.th2 scrap</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>'-author <date> <person>'<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Scrap creation and drawing (we treat the authors of in-cave sketches, ptopo drawings or pen-on-ink published maps as NOT the scrap authors)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subsequent significant edits<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We add acknowledgement of original maps and drawings in the map header or in a textbox on the pdf map. I like Mykyta and Xavier’s approach however, and think I might add the original paper drawing author to scraps in future.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We tend to have one author per centreline and scrap, but not always the case. We do use multiple authors and dates .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Xavier’s comment that the authors appear in the header surprizes me. I have never seen evidence that Therion does anything with the author data.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Not in pdf outputs nor in sql outputs, although looking in the Therion Book, I see there is some hint that they might.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It is possible that my projects are so metapost customised that I have inadvertently excluded their output!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>And the database outputs always give me a headache, so if it is there, I may have missed it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I would like the option of reporting the author data in outputs, so please, enlighten me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 6:02 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject: Re: [Therion] How to add authors of paper drawings, which is being digitized as therion scrap?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I also faced this question several times.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> - If I digitize a previous map without changing anything, I only add in the .th2 a -author « name of the original drawer », I do not include myself because I am not the author of the drawing.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> - If I digitize a previous map with some changes due to my observations in the cave in question, I add in the th2 a -author « name of the original drawer » and a -author « my name », and yes, the 2 appear in the final drawing header.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Xavier<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-----Original Message-----<br>Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 1:33 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Therion] How to add authors of paper drawings, which is being digitized as therion scrap?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>When i do this, i add an -author for the original paper plan and another one for myself in the scrap.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I feel the original plan author should be mentioned because its his work the digitalization is widely based on. Here, several persons work on one scrap (possible at least) and i would add my name as author to the scrap if i did major corrections or enhancements.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I use the author line in centerline to document who checked and finished the centerline data.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Benedikt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>