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<div>Thanks Nick</div><div>A very worthwhile project. In many ways new users are best placed to do such work (with a little wisdom from mentors thrown in).</div><div>Have been putting my bits on the wiki for years, but admit it falls well short. Of course there are likely many good ways to use it, but lots of traps, which may be why this one has not been cracked yet.</div><div>Will look forward to what you come up with.</div><div>Bruce</div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Nick Bairstow <Nick@pff.uk.com> <br>Date: 05/09/2015 22:53 (GMT+12:00) <br>To: List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk> <br>Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson) <br><br>Dave has been my personal tutor for the last 2/3 weeks and has got me flying along with things. I can not thank him enough for the not inconsiderable time and effort he has put in with me. He sorted my file structure and checked and corrected lots of my data some of which is available to view using the dropbox link. Be warned files have been flying in and out of that dropbox so some of the stuffs a bit messy.<br>I have been giving some thought to producing a tutorial to follow on from Footlegs wiki item. Unfortunately it's not a simple as I first thought. Over the next few months I will attempt to come up with something that will enable a novice therioneer understand the next steps following the Footleg wiki article. It would be nice to continue using Bull Pot as the sample cave but I have not got time to re-survey that so I propose we use an existing data set which could become the default novice reference.<br>It seems many people give up with Therion as it is difficult to learn but with a good tutorial and a little help many more could be using it.<br>What do people think, am I wasting my time, comments please.<br>Oh and if someone else is already doing something similar please shout up. No point doing it twice.<br><br> Nick.<br>________________________________________<br>From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Dave Clucas [dave.clucas@icloud.com]<br>Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 7:55 AM<br>To: therion@speleo.sk<br>Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management (Adam Sampson)<br><br>I helped Nick with his problen. To see how it's done have a look at the sample data we worked on https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lmpe35x3mhy7kp8/AADED3GW7KpiAFVKR1q-zxEsa?dl=0<br><br>Any queries contact me.<br><br>Dave Clucas<br>daveclucas.com<http://daveclucas.com><br>sarawak-caves.com<http://sarawak-caves.com><br>dave.clucas@icloud.com<mailto:daveclucas@icloud.com><br><br>Exploring the World - One cave at a time<br><br><br>On 19 Aug 2015, at 12:44, therion-request@speleo.sk<mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk> wrote:<br><br>Send Therion mailing list submissions to<br>therion@speleo.sk<mailto:therion@speleo.sk><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>therion-request@speleo.sk<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>therion-owner@speleo.sk<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Data Management (Adam Sampson)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0400<br>From: Adam Sampson <caver.adam@outlook.com><br>Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management<br>To: Therion List <therion@speleo.sk><br>Message-ID: <BAY180-W56328E211DF3B6F9D873AF98670@phx.gbl><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Please do let us know what you figure out. Martin helped me figure out how to have my surveys in a sub-folder of my main survey, but so far I'm only doing one cave. Would like to hear how to add the other area caves to the same output.<br><br>Adam Sampson(502)509-5066caver.adam@outlook.comwww.kentuckykarstconservancy.com<br><br>From: Nick@pff.uk.com<br>To: therion@speleo.sk<br>Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:31:32 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Andrew, Martin, Rowena,<br><br>Thanks for the replies. What I clearly don?t<br>understand are the basic building blocks of Therion, folder structures etc<br><br>Dave C has kindly offered to look at my<br>stuff and advise so hopefully I will sort this out soon.<br><br>I suspect I am at a point that a lot of<br>folk get to in their Therion leaning curve so once I get my head round this I<br>may write a wiki article about this from a novice point of view. It really should<br>be a continuation of Footlegs excellent tutorial which I have referred to many<br>times over the last few months.<br><br>Andrew, files will be in the registry by<br>the end of the day I promises.<br><br><br><br>Thanks once again all<br><br><br><br>Nick.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>From:<br>therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka<br><br>Sent: 19 August 2015 08:38<br><br>To: List<br>for Therion users<br><br>Subject: Re: [Therion] Data<br>Management<br><br><br><br><br><br>Nick,<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>thbook:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>? -d ?<br>Turn on debugging mode. The current implementation creates a temporary<br>directory<br><br><br><br><br><br>named thTMPDIR (in<br>your system temporary directory) and does not delete any<br><br><br><br><br><br>temporary files.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>may you run therion with -d parameter and check the files inside<br>the folder thTMPDIR?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>May you send me both the log from therion and that folder thTMPDIR<br>zipped?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>m.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>19. 8. 2015 v 5:20, rowena_l@tpg.com.au:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>hello,<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>I have successfully created an area PDF for the<br>70+ caves in my area of interest in Australia, using Therion.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Can you give more details of what your result is giving?<br>eg is an error being displayed, can you produce a .3d file or .lox file of the<br>survey legs, are you able to see a pdf created that is missing data?<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br><br><br><br><br><br>From:<br><br><br><br>"List<br>for Therion users" <therion@speleo.sk><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>To:<br><br><br><br>"List for Therion users"<br><therion@speleo.sk><br><br><br><br>Cc:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Sent:<br><br><br><br>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:01:45 +0100<br><br><br><br>Subject:<br><br><br><br>[Therion] Data Management<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Hi all,<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>After lots<br>of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but<br>now I have hit a wall. I believe I?m not getting the data management correct.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Here?s what<br>I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders<br>for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and<br>config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in<br>these files.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>So far so<br>good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf?s to kml?s. Now I want to<br>produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as<br>I may I?m just not succeeding.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>I have read<br>all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing<br>list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to<br>look at other people?s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and<br>I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing<br>something some where.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>I keep seeing<br>snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on<br>how to use them.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>I realise<br>this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I<br>can work it out but life?s too short to dick about for hours especially when<br>someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of<br>these maps and I?m now getting a bit worried I will not make it.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Any help<br>would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire<br>area wants to compare notes (I?m sure that there are more numptys like me out<br>there) I will travel and bring beer.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Nick.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Therion mailing list<br><br>Therion@speleo.sk<br><br>http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Therion mailing list<br>Therion@speleo.sk<br>http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20150819/1189d84c/attachment.htm><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Therion mailing list<br>Therion@speleo.sk<br>http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion<br><br><br>End of Therion Digest, Vol 116, Issue 7<br>***************************************<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Therion mailing list<br>Therion@speleo.sk<br>http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion<br></body></html>