<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><br></div><div>Well I have enough data in Therion to draw a cave, starting with a single scrap. I’m having problems.</div><div><br></div><div>1) I can’t seem to reposition the xvi import image or other background images. Tried control clicking (Mac)</div><div>2) I cannot change the scale. When I go to the scale option menu on drawer window all the option are grey’d out and I cannot click any??</div><div><br></div><div>Any one have any Ideas</div><div><br></div><div>Rob</div><br><div><div>On Apr 26, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Bruce <<a href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz">bruce@tomo.co.nz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Rob<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">This is not a dataset, but it is an example of a file I have recently started placing at the top level of a survey project folder, to remind me and other users what conventions are used and preferred in a particular project. It might, indirectly, help you think about some of the considerations when starting a large project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">See attached.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Rob Countess<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 24 April 2015 7:58 a.m.<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">List for Therion users</st1:personname><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me understand the structure and organization.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I have data for several cave areas on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Vancouver Island</st1:city><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on">BC</st1:state><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">My data sets are<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Glory '<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">ole/Arch</st1:placename><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:placetype w:st="on">Cave</st1:placetype></st1:place><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>area<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by overland survey and GPS<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7 km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and distinct areas of the cave<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">White Ridge<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">-7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio location and GPS<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Larch</span></font></st1:placename><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:placetype w:st="on">Mountain</st1:placetype></st1:place><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I am looking for an example data set that has<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">1) multiple caves in one caving area<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping caves or cave series in different colours on the same map.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Rob Countess<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">rob.countess@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div></div><span><_Readme_th_CaveProject-SpanishParrot Conventions.txt></span>_______________________________________________<br>Therion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Therion@speleo.sk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Therion@speleo.sk</a><br><a href="http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion</a><br></o:smarttagtype></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>