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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have 5.3.15 installed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The overlap works well. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Overlap 0 cm gives no border so I can make maps look neater.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:36.0pt'><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>color map-bg transparent<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>seems to work as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the suggestions Bruce.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rowena<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 4 November 2014 4:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'List for Therion users'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Therion] Overlap and transparent background<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Rowena<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I think these are both already features of Therion. I think you are referring to what is controlled by ‘overlap’, at least for map exports – for altas the concept is the same, but the effect is slightly different. From the Therion Book…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>overlap <value> <units> </span></i><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";color:navy'>◃</span></i><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> set overlap size in paper units in the atlas mode or map margin in the map mode (M, A; default: 1 cm)<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>For map exports it is the margin that Therion adds outside of the rectangle that exactly bounds the cave.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>For transparent backgrounds, you should be able to use, within a defined layout<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:36.0pt'><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>color map-bg transparent<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>In 5.3.5 there was a bug, whereby, as a work around, you had to put the statement as part of an export command, ie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>export map \<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>-layout-color map-bg transparent \<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>-output cave.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>and this worked quite well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Unfortunately last few versions at least, I have not been able to get transparent backgrounds to work, and so it has constrained the quality of some of our recent maps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Any updates on workarounds to get transparent backgrounds to work greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a> [<a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk">mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:rowena_l@tpg.com.au">rowena_l@tpg.com.au</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 4 November 2014 1:16 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> List for Therion users<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Therion] Customising map layout</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:5.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> <br>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:5.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:5.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>I have done lots of playing with the redefinition of map layouts in Therion (actually TeX). I have found that there is a border around the pdf images which are included, resulting in significant white space. I would rather have smaller borders in my pdfs that are generated in Therion and then included in the final map.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:5.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Is there a way to make the borders smaller, or have the white space transparent in the included maps (using such things as "\legendbox{0}{100}{NW}{\loadpicture{/absolute/path/to/file}}"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:5.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:5.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:5.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:5.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Rowena <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:5.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>