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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Footleg<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This was one of my early challenges
shortly after discovering Therion, and it crops up from time to time on this
forum.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have decided that with ‘draw once,
use many times’ I am limited to about half an order of magnitude
difference in scales (ie 1:500 to 1:2000) to get label spacing and symbol
placement that is more or less OK at a range of scales.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Personally, once I get to 1:5000 I pretty
much turn off all symbols. <a
href="http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/templates">http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/templates</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Judicious use of text scales xs, s, m, l,
xl allows one to crudely hide minor text at smaller scales.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You can use base-scale to globally reduce
all text and symbol sizes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thomas Holders examples show how symbols
can be made to plot to suit the scale. Ie hide smaller symbols. <a
href="http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/metapost?s%5b%5d=thomas#scale_dependant_visualization_of_symbols">http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/metapost?s[]=thomas#scale_dependant_visualization_of_symbols</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>People have proposed various ‘dual
scrap’ scenarios, but it seems to defeat what simplicity Therion has :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You could use ‘revise’ for
each symbol, but I think madness would lie down that route.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Check the wiki.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Footleg<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 4 March 2014 7:01
a.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">List
for Therion users</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Therion] Drawing for
generating outputs at multiple differentscales</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Now that I have enough knowledge to really start drawing up my large
project cave systems, I am discovering that it is difficult to draw scraps in a
way which renders nicely at different scales. I want to be able to produce a
very detailed survey (using a scale of around 1:500) but also to output a
complete system drawing at a scale more suited to a large map (say 1:5000). I
find symbols getting rendered larger than the passage widths (which seems odd
as unless people have much larger passages than me in their caves, I would
expect symbols to be limited to a sensible scale for a typical large passage,
or omitted?). But also text labels are so large that they obscure entire areas
of the cave at the 1:5000 scale.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Any tips and tricks for how to draw once, use twice? Or do I really
need to maintain two copies of every scrap? Is there a way to draw some detail
on a scrap for 1:5000 type scale, and then augment it with fine details for
rendering at 1:500 by adding a second scrap for the labels and symbols?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Footleg<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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