<div dir="ltr">Thanks Bruce,<div><br></div><div>Those templates are immensely useful. I looked at them some years ago but at the time did not know enough to understand how to use them. A fresh look has got me up and running with a significantly better rendering of 1:5000 scale. I will probably spend far too long playing with them now rather than actually drawing anything new to be sure I have things working in my scraps properly before I spend a load of time drawing up a load more.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Footleg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 March 2014 18:56, Bruce <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz" target="_blank">bruce@tomo.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">This was one of my early challenges
shortly after discovering Therion, and it crops up from time to time on this
forum.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have decided that with ‘draw once,
use many times’ I am limited to about half an order of magnitude
difference in scales (ie 1:500 to 1:2000) to get label spacing and symbol
placement that is more or less OK at a range of scales.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Personally, once I get to 1:5000 I pretty
much turn off all symbols. <a href="http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/templates" target="_blank">http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/templates</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Judicious use of text scales xs, s, m, l,
xl allows one to crudely hide minor text at smaller scales.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">You can use base-scale to globally reduce
all text and symbol sizes.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thomas Holders examples show how symbols
can be made to plot to suit the scale. Ie hide smaller symbols. <a href="http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/metapost?s%5b%5d=thomas#scale_dependant_visualization_of_symbols" target="_blank">http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/metapost?s[]=thomas#scale_dependant_visualization_of_symbols</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">People have proposed various ‘dual
scrap’ scenarios, but it seems to defeat what simplicity Therion has :)<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">You could use ‘revise’ for
each symbol, but I think madness would lie down that route.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Check the wiki.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Bruce<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk" target="_blank">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk" target="_blank">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Footleg<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 4 March 2014 7:01
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Therion] Drawing for
generating outputs at multiple differentscales</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Now that I have enough knowledge to really start drawing up my large
project cave systems, I am discovering that it is difficult to draw scraps in a
way which renders nicely at different scales. I want to be able to produce a
very detailed survey (using a scale of around 1:500) but also to output a
complete system drawing at a scale more suited to a large map (say 1:5000). I
find symbols getting rendered larger than the passage widths (which seems odd
as unless people have much larger passages than me in their caves, I would
expect symbols to be limited to a sensible scale for a typical large passage,
or omitted?). But also text labels are so large that they obscure entire areas
of the cave at the 1:5000 scale.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Any tips and tricks for how to draw once, use twice? Or do I really
need to maintain two copies of every scrap? Is there a way to draw some detail
on a scrap for 1:5000 type scale, and then augment it with fine details for
rendering at 1:500 by adding a second scrap for the labels and symbols?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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