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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.10 2.11 49.30 -14.96 3.575 ></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.11 2.10 0.00 0.00 0.000 ></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This looks like an error in the PocketTopo Therion export.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I will look at that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Beat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Stevens<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 29 August, 2013 13:13<br><b>To:</b> List for Therion users<br><b>Subject:</b> [Therion] Export Full Backbearings from PocketTopo to Therion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Export oddities from PocketTopo to Therion</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>A while back, I noted that if you do a full back bearing of three readings straight after you have done to forward leg, PocketTopo recognises this as the same leg and numbers it accordingly. I have not found any documentation about this useful feature though.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.10 1.139 64.25 -33.70 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.10 1.288 53.85 -61.89 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.10 2.243 304.70 -50.40 [1] "fissure in floor with sound of water flowing "</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.10 2.11 3.574 49.25 -15.19 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.10 2.11 3.574 49.06 -15.19 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.10 2.11 3.577 49.27 -15.23 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.11 2.10 3.576 229.26 14.68 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.11 2.10 3.575 229.37 14.68 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.11 2.10 3.577 229.60 14.80 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.11 0.599 96.53 74.98 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> 2.11 0.201 156.69 -50.20 [1] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If the back bearing was outside the automatic parameters, then it can always be forced and sorted later</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>. i.e. make a note, station may be too close to iron work or buried iron in spoil/deads.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>PocketTopo and TopParser deal with these in different ways when it is imported into Therion</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>PocketTopo averages all 6 readings for the output file but it also adds a blank line</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.10 64.25 -33.68 1.140 ></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.10 53.85 -61.89 1.288 ></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.10 304.69 -50.39 2.243 ></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.10 2.11 49.30 -14.96 3.575 ></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.11 2.10 0.00 0.00 0.000 ></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.11 96.67 75.01 0.599 ></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.11 156.63 -50.15 0.201 ></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This second line then has to be commented out or deleted once in Therion. Other than that all other </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>outputs</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> act as expected. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>TopParser on the other hand outputs both sets of readings as separate legs. This has an advantage but a couple of disadvantages.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.10 - 1.139 64.25 -33.7 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.10 - 1.288 53.85 -61.89 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.10 - 2.243 304.7 -50.4 fissure in floor with sound of water flowing </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>#2.10 2.11 3.574 49.25 -15.19 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>#2.10 2.11 3.574 49.06 -15.19 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>#2.10 2.11 3.577 49.27 -15.23 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.10 2.11 3.575 49.15 -15.2 Calculated leg from 3 above</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>#2.11 2.10 3.576 229.26 14.68 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>#2.11 2.10 3.575 229.37 14.68 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>#2.11 2.10 3.577 229.6 14.8 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.11 2.10 3.576 229.31 14.72 Calculated leg from 3 above</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.11 - 0.599 96.53 74.98 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2.11 - 0.201 156.69 -50.2 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If I use this output, the length of the cave is doubled for the leg but I do get some nice 2 leg loop closure errors. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The distance can be adjusted but adding flags duplicate and flags not duplicate lines around the duplicate leg. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>These loop closures then give me good feed back into where magnetic influences are within the cave/mine.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> 5.70% 0.4m 7.7m 2 -0.2m 0.4m -0.0m [2.7 - 2.8 - 2.7]</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> 3.86% 0.2m 5.1m 2 -0.1m -0.2m -0.0m [2.8 - 2.9 - 2.8]</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> 2.70% 0.2m 8.7m 2 -0.2m 0.2m -0.0m [2.11 - 2.12 - 2.11]</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> 1.18% 0.1m 11.0m 2 -0.1m -0.1m 0.0m [2.9 - 2.10 - 2.9]</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> 0.50% 0.0m 3.9m 2 -0.0m -0.0m 0.0m [2.12 - 2.2 - 2.12]</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> 0.44% 0.0m 7.2m 2 -0.0m 0.0m -0.0m [2.10 - 2.11 - 2.10]</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> 0.33% 0.0m 10.8m 2 0.0m 0.0m -0.0m [2.2 - 2.7 - 2.2]</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From these it is easy to see which passage had a large iron pipe running down it, even those we kept a good distance from it. This now allows me to set that passage survey grade as lower for the loop closures.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>But with all these subloops, Therion does not like calculating the main loop error.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The other main problem with the TopParser output is for the extended section. Here it plots both legs so the centreline and splays are in the wrong place for the drawings. So that output is totally useless and I have to go back and use the PocketTopo output for extended sections.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So bit more work on TopParser and PocketTopo to make them both fully implement this useful function.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>