<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>infact i noticed that if there are N sketches inserted in the scraps, for each one of the sketches</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>all the N sketched are included in the pdf.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>therefore the size of the pdf grows quadratically, ie, as N*N,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px;
font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span> with the number of inserted sketches.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>maybe martin may explain why it is so ...</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">thanks.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px;
font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">marco<br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Wasmund <knollesimage@t-online.de><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Christopher Ross <chrsross@t-online.de> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:53 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Therion] background sketch inserted multiple times<br> </font> </div> <br><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv331473808">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello Bruce,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I think we're suffering the same inflated
PDFs.<br>I attach a small project which uses 3 very tiny PNGs as
input,<br>resulting into a PDF which is at least 3x the size in MB.<br>With
large bitmaps, a PDF is produced which some computers cannot handle anymore
because of size.<br>We also use Therion version 5.3.10.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">For the "Fuchslabyrinth" Project, we have an
additional issue which is at least as painful:<br>Overlapping sketches (even if
the inserted PNGs are transparent)<br>lead to a PDF output, where passages in
the overlapping area are concealed.<br>Current workaround is to crop the PNGs
razorsharp at the passage boundaries,<br>but that is not always
possible.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">See attached mini-project.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If you or the Therion developers have a "fix" for
either issue,<br>we'd greatly appreciate receiving it!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cheers,<br>Michael.</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="bruce@tomo.co.nz" ymailto="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz" target="_blank" href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz">Bruce</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="therion@speleo.sk" ymailto="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" target="_blank" href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk">'List for Therion users'</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:45
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> [Therion] background sketch
inserted multiple times</div>
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<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">Michael</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">I think you just added
a wiki item on Fuchslabyrinth caves where it says Therions bitmap morphing
feature is being used.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">I am intrigued because
in 2008 or 2009 we were starting to use this feature, then we were delayed,
and by the time we got back to experimenting there was a bug in the next
version of Therion whereby the sketches were inserted into the pdf outputs
multiple times, taking inordinate time to compile and making the pdf files
very large, 100’s of megabytes in many cases. Stacho acknowledged the
bug and I think some change was made in 5.3.9, but it did not fix the problem
for us.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">Described here
</span></font><span lang="EN-NZ"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.therion/2680/match=sketches">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.therion/2680/match=sketches</a></span></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">I have tried again with
a couple of different files using 5.3.10, in one trivial case a 283kB sketch
inserted in a small map produced an 11MB pdf file (the pdf without the sketch
is 300kB).</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">So I am wondering how
you are making it workable?</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">Either;</span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN-LEFT:36pt;" class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"><span style="">-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman';">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">something in our custom
metapost or layouts is causing the error for us and you are not experiencing
this bug, or</span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN-LEFT:36pt;" class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"><span style="">-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman';">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">you are using an old
version of Therion in which this feature was bug free,
or</span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN-LEFT:36pt;" class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"><span style="">-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman';">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">you are putting up with
very large output files, even for very small portions of your overall
project</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">I’m interested in your
comments.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv331473808MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">Bruce</span></font></div></div>
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