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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ben<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Feels like a long time ago, although I
have not resolved the issues I was having. Keep finding too much new
cave.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So my quick initial thoughts only for now,
preceded by a longer than intended dissertation on how I think various station
and leg properties relate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We may have had a slight difference in
understanding of the terminology and concepts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Station properties<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In my old posts that you copied into your
message, I was thinking of ‘fixed’ stations as a station that is
located by giving it coordinates with the fix statement (from within in a <u>survey</u>,
not scrap), like this;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> fix 804 2503213 6020327
649 4 4 12<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> station
804 "hole beside track, rocks rumble down" entrance \<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>
continuation attr who "Oz, Deb, Greg" attr what pit attr priority
medium attr ref centreline2011.02.19 \<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>
not explored <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the context in which my original
question was asked, such points do not usually have survey shots attached to
them as usually they are features in a karst area, not caves, but some do.
Obviously these are unlikely to be underground stations (but they might be
sometimes, say by radio location). Knowledge about their coordinates
usually comes from a gps. From Therions perspective their locations are ‘fixed’
in space (with a bit of fuzzyness if you add the standard deviations as I have
above).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stations that are not fixed in this manner
depend on the calculation of the survey network to determine their location in
space.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>By fixed, you are referring in your post generally
to stations in the cave that have some means of future identification (a label,
a cairn, a drill hole).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The ‘mark’ statement sets these
characteristics of the station(s) -ie is it fixed or painted, or is it temporary
(ephemeral, no one can find it for sure 10 minutes later).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>‘Mark’ can be a stand alone
statement or it can specify the particular stations it applies to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Eg Near the start of all my surveys I include;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> mark temporary #makes
sure the default is explicitly set for all the stations in the survey legs that
follow…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>and then at the end of all the shots I
include something like;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> mark 1 27 32 48 57 72 fixed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This ensures it is always very easy to
grab a list of all the ‘mark fixed’ stations, because they are
defined in one place (for each individual survey).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stations can also have ‘flags’,
and they are set using;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>station <stn> “some words that
appear in <st1:place w:st="on">Loch</st1:place> and I wish could be made to
appear in pdfs selectively” <none, one or more flags><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Station flags can be entrance,
continuation, sink, dig, air-draught etc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As I have described above, these are all how
you would define them in a centerline (ie part of a survey, not part of a map
object).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Alternatively in scrap drawings you can
override the ‘mark’ specified for a station in the centerline.
Perhaps confusingly, it is called ‘-subtype’ and not ‘-mark’.
(An opportunity for a future feature, synonym option for station –mark =
-subtype)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The mark properties described above are
the properties that the symbol-show points that you have enumerated in your
post refer to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t think you can specify the continuation
flag to stations from within scraps. You can however use points independent
of stations;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>point continuation …with similar
syntax to what you would use for the stations (as in example above) with flag
continuation set.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>See </span></font><a
href="http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=drawingchecklist#points">http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=drawingchecklist#points</a>
<font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>and look for ‘continuation’.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Survey
leg properties<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>‘Flags’ also sets characteristics
of the survey leg(s) but the allowable flags are different to those used for
stations–ie Are they surface, approximate, duplicate, splay?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>‘Flags’ for shots can be set
up in a survey as a stand alone statement, and all stations and legs defined
below will inherit those characteristics.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So quite often it will be like this;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>data normal etc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>flags surface<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><some surface shots><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>flags not surface<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><underground shots><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t think these can be set or
modified in the scraps.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;
padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0cm'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So the above does not solve your problem
nor mine, but it should make clearer the differences and similarities about
what we are each trying to achieve. While we are wanting to isolate or identify
different types of station property (you the mark, me the fixity in space) I
think the solution to both these will be the same – better control of
point symbol display and any associated text.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The method you have used to isolate the ‘mark
fixed’ and continuations seems overly complicated, but I guess it could
be an interim workaround to gaining better control of how the stations are
displayed in pdfs generally.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As far as continuations go, I just use the
metapost </span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> def
p_continuation(expr pos,theta,sc,al) = ...etc </span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>and</span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>then change nothing else, the continuation text is added to the map
with all the other detail and labels. If I wanted to hide all passage
detail to emphasize the continuations as you have done, I would;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> symbol-hide group all<br>
symbol-show line wall # to display the cave itself<br>
symbol-show point flag:continuation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(or better, see LayoutScale10000 and LayoutScale10000
in the layoutscales.txt file at </span></font><a
href="http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=templates#general_setup">http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=templates#general_setup</a>
<font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>to get a better description of the control you can get)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This way you could probably get exactly
the same effect as in the example you posted, but not have to make a </span></font><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Map_Continuations . </span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Should
be easier just to use a layout.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The scrap –stations option you
highlighted looks like one I’ve missed. Thanks, I’ll think
about whether that can help me!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ben Cooper<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 27 November 2011
11:55 a.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">List
for Therion users</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Therion] symbol-show
fixed points / point text</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Bruce, Andrew, et al,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I noticed your posts from February about
this topic, which I also happen to be struggling with at the moment. I'm
trying to produce two maps, one showing fixed survey stations and another
showing continuations.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In particular, I'm a bit confused about
the subtle difference between the 'mark', 'flags', and 'station' commands in
centreline, and the various point commands in scrap. How are these
related in metapost, and how can I distinguish between them in selecting what
is displayed? As with Bruce's "concrete water trough" below,
I'd rather not have to use the "continuation" flag just to get the
text to display. Any suggestions?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I have made some progress by
using the "continuation" flag for both my needs, but it's not
ideal, and I had trouble getting it to work. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I'm currently using the </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> mark <station> fixed and </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> station <station>
"text" continuation </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>in the centreline, but it also seems to
work for the point continuation in the scrap. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In the thconfig layout I've used:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> symbol-hide group all<br>
symbol-show line wall # seems to be needed to force display of the cave
itself<br>
symbol-show point station:painted<br>
symbol-show point station:fixed<br>
symbol-show point station:natural<br>
symbol-show point flag:continuation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>To display the text I've then used, as per
thbook. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>code metapost<br>
<br>
def p_continuation(expr pos,theta,sc,al) = ...etc</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I'd like to be able to use a different
symbol to the question mark for my fixed stations, but I don't know how to do
that.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>To get the points to display, I found I
had to use the -stations option in the 'scrap' command, even if the scrap
included the station already! I'm not sure why this is so, but it
works. It also gave me an idea to create an "overlay" scrap,
that includes nothing other than the -stations option (plus a couple of point
stations to calibrate the scale and avoid the "scrap too large"
error). I've got two such scrap files, one called "fixed" and
the other called "continuations", and it seems to be working. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In my source file, I've added two map
definitions </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> map Map_mFixedStations <br>
UF_mFixed<br>
preview below UF_m1<br>
endmap</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> map Map_Continuations <br>
UF_mContinuations<br>
preview below UF_m1<br>
endmap</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>where UF_m1 is the master map of the whole
cave, UF_mFixed is a map containing the Fixed point scrap, and
UF_mContinuations is the map containing the Continuations scrap. It might
be that because of the preview below, I no longer need symbol-hide all, but I
haven't tried that yet. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In this way I can select the various
different points to show in each overlay. The limitation is that I can't
have a station that is both a fixed station and a continuation; and I have to
manually search my whole cave survey to manually identify all of the fixed points
and list them in the scrap. It would be nicer to have Therion display
these automatically using symbol-show! </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The attached shows my "proof of
concept" output (it's a bit rough and still incomplete) and I've currently
turned off the text output because my points are too close together at this
scale (1:4000) and the texts collide. The fixed stations without the
question mark have no "stations" command and no text. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>- Ben</span></font><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 3.0pt;
margin-left:3.15pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bruce<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 10 February 2011 19:28<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">List
for Therion users</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Therion] symbol-show
fixed points</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Stacho<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think you are pointing me in the
direction of answering my second question; redefinition of each type of point
that I might be interested in. ie p_sink, p_doline, p_entrance. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(Admittedly I have not delved into the
code to see how it currently works, and I should perhaps educate myself some
more before asking.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Some of my points would have all three (or
more) flags set (sink, doline, entrance). Are they just layered one above
the other in the output? So there may be three copies of the (identical) text
layered one above the other if each definition included printing of the
text? When I have time I can look into the TMPDIR outputs and perhaps
figure it out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway I digress. My most pressing
need and interest is (the first question in my original post) adding the text
output to fixed points that do <u>not</u> have any other flags set. The
ones that show up in <st1:place w:st="on">Loch</st1:place> as red circles that
do not have doline or other flag set, but do not show up <u>with labels</u>
included in the pdf output. Is there a p_fixed?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Stacho Mudrak<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 10 February 2011
10:48 p.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">List
for Therion users</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Therion] symbol-show
fixed points</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Well, it is quite
complicated, but it is possible. When point symbol is exported from centerline,
system _text attribute is set in metapost. To dipsplay label, use code <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>code metapost<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> def p_continuation(expr pos,theta,sc,al) =<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>etc...<br>
shown in:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://therion.speleo.sk/samples.doc/60.html">http://therion.speleo.sk/samples.doc/60.html</a><br>
<br>
But you will need to redefine corresponding symbol (e.g. p_sink). In that code,
you can also control, whether symbol and/or text should be displayed. Feel free
to ask more, if this does not help you.<br>
<br>
Regards, S.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 7 February 2011 21:10, Bruce <<a href="mailto:dangle@tomo.co.nz">dangle@tomo.co.nz</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div vlink=purple link=blue>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi
All</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’ve
been trying to understand symbol-show and symbol-hide a little better as they
relate to pdf outputs. How do I display the text associated with fixed
points?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I
have some map objects defined for various caves in a large system. These
are comprised of scrap drawings.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I
also have a map object with the minor surface features nearby, such as sinks,
dolines, isolated entrances and significant navigational features such as fence
posts or trees (for example). This is comprised of a survey only (mostly fixed
points, and no scrap drawings) however and uses flags such as doline or sink,
and most points have a text string associated ie.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> fix
15 2521640
6042938
581 10 10 30 </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>station
15 "Concrete water trough"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I
would like to show the caves as outlines with all the rest of their symbology
turned off, and the surface features with each of the points labelled with
appropriate symbol and associated text. This is for an area map, at scales
of say 1:5000 or 1:10,000</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
can turn the cave symbols off with symbol-hide statements, and so far I think
that is working out OK.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> However…</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
-layout-symbol-show point
flag:entrance \</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
-layout-symbol-show point flag:sink \ </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
-layout-symbol-show point flag:spring \ </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
-layout-symbol-show point flag:doline \ </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
-layout-symbol-show point flag:dig
\ </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The
above layout statements cause the special entrance and sink etc symbols to be
displayed, AND show the text string associated with the point. These are
not displayed by default as far as I can tell, but these statements rectify
that.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
-layout-symbol-show group all</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>And
the group all statement has pretty much the same effect in a more comprehensive
and compact format.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> However
none of the above enables me to display the text for my “Concrete water
trough” example above.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>It
is always just a cross with no text, or with ‘15’ if debug
station-names is on. It shows up in <st1:place w:st="on">Loch</st1:place>,
but not in pdfs.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> So,
how do I display the text associated with fixed points?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Is
there a need for…</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
-layout-symbol-show point fixed </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>…
or something similar?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Also,
sometimes I would like to display the point symbols (for the likes of the above
flags) OR the text strings associated with the points, but not both at
once. Is there a way of doing this? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thanks</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bruce</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
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