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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Will<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I really like it that you have put in
place a system, and documented it in your DDC.map.th file and the other
*.map.th files. It might be the first time I have seen a detailed
description of a structured way to organize Therion data (apologies to those
who have shared their strategies with me in the past). The therion wiki
goes part way to achieving this, but does not yet describe a structured
scalable system. Well, I am trying to put something together based on
what I have stumbled on and cobbled together, but it has been a few years in
the making – mostly it is hidden in the datasets I am working on –
some of it has found it’s way onto the wiki </span></font><a
href="http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=do">http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=do</a><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So unfortunately I have not absorbed the
niceties of the system your data uses in 5 minutes, but I’ll make a few hasty
comments. It seems to be a little complicated, but that may just be
because I have not yet figured out the greater purpose… Forgive me if I
am teaching you to suck eggs, but as I haven’t yet solved the problem I’ll
just go through and point out the ‘interesting’ bits in your data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I notice you are using therion 5.3.
Although the ‘stable version’ it is quite old.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Therion 5.3.6 is much better I think.
That said, the dataset will not compile on my system. I get an error;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>D:\Program Files\Therion\therion.exe:
error -- ../././scraps/DDC_20101106_1.th2 [8] -- zero scale real length<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That suggests to me that the scrap has not
been scaled properly (or that 5.3 is indeed better).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It has three points but no walls, so is
bound to cause trouble. Adding walls did not help however.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>On looking at this scrap I notice the
names are quite cumbersome;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-name a3@20101106.center.DDC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If indeed the .center.DDC are ‘required’
in the th2 file then the system may be a little cumbersome. Also the station
names are repeated in the id box. This is not an error, but does seem
redundant. Therion does not require it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Some of your files do not have the first
line;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>encoding utf-8<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the past if I have excluded this then
my Windows operating system and text editors tend to screw up my data files, or
not work at all. Possibly therion throws a fit if it’s missing- I
forget. Of course the confusing thing is that Xtherion hides the encoding
line, so unless you use a different editor you might not have noticed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I notice that although you have quite a
few drawing files the dataset only tries to invoke one of them. I have
not tried to make the others work, but I have noticed that if I comment out
references to DDC_20101106 then I can get nice pdfs, lists and models.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So in short, with a few minutes fiddling I
cannot repeat the same error you describe, I suspect 5.3.6 is better at
trapping errors and that there is a problem with the way you are making your
scraps or a problem with the way the system you have adopted is trying to tie the
components together.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyone else?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Will Urbanski<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 12 April 2011 12:41
p.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> therion@speleo.sk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Therion] strange scrap
plotting</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hello, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have been drafting a map using therion but my export is generating a
very strange PDF. All my data (line plot) plots correctly in the map, but my
scraps are all tiling on a specific station. For instance, say I have
stations A1, A2, A3, and A4 labeled in a scrap. For some reason Therion is
plotting all the station & additional points (A2,A3,A4,stalagmites, etc)
exactly at the same location as A1. My scraps also contain walls but the walls
don't plot. I have a friend who is very talented with Therion and he has looked
at my project and is not sure why it is not working correctly, thus I am not
sure if this is a bug or something that I have screwed up. My entire project is
attached to this email (thconfig in /config/, A1 is in the lower left-hand
corner of map). Any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>will<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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