<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm afraid that's what I thought. We have the situation here in Mulu where the main passages are 50m wide with house sized boulders with side passages a mere 5m wide and small car size boulders so ideally we need a mixture of block sizes to play with. And of course chambers the size of football fields.<div><br><div><div>On 31 Dec 2008, at 19:00, <a href="mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk">therion-request@speleo.sk</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Send Therion mailing list submissions to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk">therion@speleo.sk</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>therion-request@speleo.sk<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>therion-owner@speleo.sk<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Using metapost code examples (Stefan Oswald)<br> 2. Re: Using metapost code examples (Martin Budaj)<br> 3. Re: Using metapost code examples (Wookey)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:01:17 +0100<br>From: "Stefan Oswald" <stefan_oswald@gmx.at><br>Subject: Re: [Therion] Using metapost code examples<br>To: therion@speleo.sk<br>Message-ID: <20081230120117.233970@gmx.net><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi, <br><br>The size is controlled by the factor before the u. (symbolsize:=1.0u; %Factor*u; Factor=size of the blocks change 1.0 as you want) <br><blockquote type="cite">Does this apply to each instance of a block or is it a <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">global definition.<br></blockquote>This overrules the point_block sizes in the whole plan compiled. <br>Size canging/definition of a single block is, as far as i know, not possible and not projected?<br><br>The problem was (with other symbols it is still the case, a solution could be, for example an layout command for small symbols) that with small caves in small scales the normative symbol size is too large, so it might happen that you only see a small part of the symbol in a narrow passage on small scale. <br>You can handle this problem with block_points and block_area in UIS as in described in wiki by changing the factor before the "u". <br><br>Gl?ck Tief, Stefan<br><br>-------- Original-Nachricht --------<br><blockquote type="cite">Datum: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:00:01 +0100<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Von: therion-request@speleo.sk<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">An: therion@speleo.sk<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Betreff: Therion Digest, Vol 37, Issue 14<br></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite">Send Therion mailing list submissions to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>therion@speleo.sk<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>therion-request@speleo.sk<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>therion-owner@speleo.sk<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Today's Topics:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> 1. Using metapost code examples (Dave Clucas)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Message: 1<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:00:56 +0800<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Dave Clucas <dave@daveclucas.com><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [Therion] Using metapost code examples<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: therion@speleo.sk<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Message-ID: <2CDC217E-E91E-4780-A35C-F6B719CC9D32@daveclucas.com><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed";<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>DelSp="yes"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Looking at the metapost examples in the Wiki it appears that a block <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">symbol can be defined or redefined which allows the size of the block <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to be changed. Does this apply to each instance of a block or is it a <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">global definition. How do you specify the size of the block when you <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">place it in the drawing?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> code metapost<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> def p_blocks_UIS (expr pos,theta,sc,al)=<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> symbolsize:=1.0u; %Factor*u; Factor=size of the blocks<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> U:=(.5u,.5u);<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> T:=identity aligned al rotated theta scaled sc shifted pos;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> pickup PenC;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> thdraw (.0symbolsize,.0symbolsize)--(1.0symbolsize,-. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">5symbolsize)--(0.0symbolsize,-1.5symbolsize)-- <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(-1.0symbolsize,-1.0symbolsize)--cycle;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> thdraw (.5symbolsize,-.25symbolsize)--(1.0symbolsize,. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">5symbolsize)--(0.0symbolsize,1.5symbolsize)--(-0.5symbolsize,. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">5symbolsize);<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> thdraw (.0symbolsize,.0symbolsize)--(.0symbolsize,.5symbolsize)-- <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(-1.5symbolsize,.5symbolsize)--(-1.5symbolsize,-0.5symbolsize)-- <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(-0.5symbolsize,-0.5symbolsize);<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> enddef;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> endcode<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Dave Clucas<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">email:dave@daveclucas.com<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Website: http://daveclucas.com<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> http://mycaves.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Skype: daveclucas<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-------------- next part --------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">URL:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20081230/ea2e1e04/attachment.html><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">------------------------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Therion mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Therion@speleo.sk<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">End of Therion Digest, Vol 37, Issue 14<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">***************************************<br></blockquote><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:19:32 +0100<br>From: "Martin Budaj" <m.budaj@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [Therion] Using metapost code examples<br>To: "List for Therion users" <therion@speleo.sk><br>Message-ID:<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><f64c1c4a0812300419x6a3e3d7ek1c2e3411c44a37d9@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Size canging/definition of a single block is, as far as i know, not possible and not projected?<br></blockquote><br>You can do it simply by using -scale xl option (or -scale s etc.) for<br>(almost) any point symbol.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">The problem was (with other symbols it is still the case, a solution could be, for example an layout command for small symbols) that with small caves in small scales the normative symbol size is too large, so it might happen that you only see a small part of the symbol in a narrow passage on small scale.<br></blockquote><br>Try playing with base-scale layout option. It should address exactly this issue.<br><br>martin<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:57:46 +0000<br>From: Wookey <wookey@wookware.org><br>Subject: Re: [Therion] Using metapost code examples<br>To: therion@speleo.sk<br>Message-ID: <20081230225746.GO8858@knossos.aleph1.co.uk><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br>On 2008-12-30 13:19 +0100, Martin Budaj wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The problem was (with other symbols it is still the case, a solution could be, for example an layout command for small symbols) that with small caves in small scales the normative symbol size is too large, so it might happen that you only see a small part of the symbol in a narrow passage on small scale.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Try playing with base-scale layout option. It should address exactly this issue.<br></blockquote><br>Ah yes. I had this problem Dave. The Therion defaults are/were for<br>relatively small caves at 1:200 so our huge ones at 1:3000 need some<br>-base-scale and -scale options to be right.<br><br>I'll get you my files so you can see the numbers I used.<br><br>Wookey<br>-- <br>Principal hats: Balloonz - Toby Churchill - Aleph One - Debian<br>http://wookware.org/<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Therion mailing list<br>Therion@speleo.sk<br>http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion<br><br><br>End of Therion Digest, Vol 37, Issue 15<br>***************************************<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; 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