[Therion] Loch passage tube behaviour

[Bruce]

Footleg

I think the answer is 'yes'.

Hopefully you can view the images embedded in the image rather than
attached, otherwise this won't make much sense.

 

In this example there is a single centreline (comprising both cave and
surface survey) and 4 scraps.

A short section of cave at the left hand end does not have any scrap drawn.

Compiled with Therion 5.3.11

 

One interesting point is that regardless of the 'walls' setting, there is
never a tube generated there once we have scraps drawn anywhere in this
centreline.  My deduction is that Loch uses only one type of tube generation
per centreline, because in almost all my larger projects that transition
between traditional survey and paperless survey, I have a combination of
each type of tube generation within the same Loch model.

This fits with the description in the Therion Book

"walls <auto/on/off>  turn on/off passage shape generation from LRUD data
for

subsequent shots. If set auto, passage is generated only if there is no
scrap referencing

given centreline."

 

In these examples I have not used any 'point passage-height' or 'point
dimensions' in the scraps.

 



Paperless survey (no LRUD), walls auto, off or on (or not specified), No
plan scraps. [Loch always guesses tube dimensions]

-same if LRUD present and walls off

 



Paperless survey (no LRUD), walls auto, off or on (or not specified), plan
scraps drawn [Loch uses scraps for tube width and guesses tube height]

 

 

Now, I added a few LRUD to the same centreline, including some with only UD

 

  data dimensions station left right up down

  1.4 - - 20 20

  1.5 - - 20 20

  1.6 2 2 20 20

  

  3.13 10 10 20 20

  3.14 10 10 20 20

 

Tube generation, where it occurs extends one station beyond those specified.

 



Paperless survey (some LRUD), walls on or auto (or not specified), No plan
scraps. [Loch uses LRUD for tube dimensions and only for stations where
partial data is provided, it guesses the missing data   ie if a station has
no data, no tube is generated]

 

And now adding some scraps and things get interesting.

 



Paperless survey (some LRUD), walls off (or not specified), Plan scraps
drawn. [Loch uses scraps, not LR, for tube plan dimensions, and UD for
height where specified, otherwise height is guessed.  Where there are no
scraps, LRUD is not used.]

That is perhaps contrary to what one might expect from the Therion Book
'walls' entry.  It also produces perhaps the best model.



Paperless survey (some LRUD), walls on or auto, Plan scraps drawn. [Loch
uses scraps AND LR for tube plan dimensions, and UD for height where
specified, otherwise height is guessed.  Where there is no LR, then it is
guessed. Where there are no scraps, LRUD is used.]

 

If I change the LRUD definition like this.

 

  data dimensions station up down

  1.4  20 20

  1.5  20 20

  1.6  20 20

  data dimensions station left right up down  

  3.13 10 10 20 20

  3.14 10 10 20 20

 

..then the guessed width troubles continue.



Paperless survey (some LRUD), walls on or auto, Plan scraps drawn. [same as
above]

 

So my final conclusion, for paperless survey, no need to include walls
statements in each survey, or if you do, walls off is better than on or
auto. If you happen to provide some UD data, then your model will be
improved (more realistic).

 

I surmise that with these same settings, scraps with point passage-height or
point dimensions will have a similar effect, but I have not tested this.

 

Bruce

 

 

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